chez wrote: RustyBug wrote: chez wrote: RustyBug wrote:
40 Batis vs. 45 Contemporary
361g vs. 215g ... (168%)
91mm vs. 64mm ... (142%)
93mm vs. 46mm ... (200%)
8463 mm^3 vs. 2944 mm^3 ... (287%)
$1,104 vs. $549 ... (200%)
Expectations
One does the job...the other
I spend many thousands of dollars each year on travel to bring back photos. Spending an extra $500 with something that gives me confidence when I press the shutter is well worth it. I'm about to join Photographer's without borders where it is expected to bring back the images...i don't want to second guess.
Everyone values different aspects of their gear. I value light weight gear a lot...but the gear needs to perform under the conditions I use it.
And no one is debating that.
The point is that for those who do choose a price point, size point, weight point ... they should NOT BE SURPRISED that the performance might be different from something that is in a different league.
Different tools ... pick the one that fits the job.
No need to "justify" wanting the right tool for your job. Imo, that's a given ... I wouldn't expect anything less. The point here is that the "Contemporary" Series is not built to satisfy the same level of demands that other tools are. So, there should be no expectation for it to perform to that level on all counts. Not sure why people expect all around, top tier performance from mid tier tools.
Expectations.
Enjoy your lens.
As should everyone ... pick the tool that works for you. And for some folks, that might be one that fits their desired rendering, size, weight, price, etc. Imo, the Contemporary Series is an option for those with less demands in certain areas. If your demands are different than what the Contemporary Series offers, then assuredly those folks should look elsewhere ... Sigma already recognizes that with the Art Series. Not sure why some folks have such a difficult time understanding that the Contemporary Series isn't designed to be on the same tier as the Art Series or some other mfr offerings (in all regards) ... yet, want to complain that it isn't.
Expectations.
For me, as to the 45/2.8 Contemporary ... I'm looking for a close focusing short normal / long wide in the L mount. Given that there aren't a lot of options that fit that bill, I'm at least giving consideration to the lens. Since I don't have to worry about AF-C on Sony bodies, it is still a lens for my personal consideration. If you know of any other close focus 40/45 lenses that could be contenders in the L mount, I'll gladly consider them too. 28 or 35 could be in the mix, too ... rendering dependent.
chez wrote: RustyBug wrote: chez wrote: RustyBug wrote:
40 Batis vs. 45 Contemporary
361g vs. 215g ... (168%)
91mm vs. 64mm ... (142%)
93mm vs. 46mm ... (200%)
8463 mm^3 vs. 2944 mm^3 ... (287%)
$1,104 vs. $549 ... (200%)
Expectations
One does the job...the other
I spend many thousands of dollars each year on travel to bring back photos. Spending an extra $500 with something that gives me confidence when I press the shutter is well worth it. I'm about to join Photographer's without borders where it is expected to bring back the images...i don't want to second guess.
Everyone values different aspects of their gear. I value light weight gear a lot...but the gear needs to perform under the conditions I use it.
And no one is debating that.
The point is that for those who do choose a price point, size point, weight point ... they should NOT BE SURPRISED that the performance might be different from something that is in a different league.
Different tools ... pick the one that fits the job.
No need to "justify" wanting the right tool for your job. Imo, that's a given ... I wouldn't expect anything less. The point here is that the "Contemporary" Series is not built to satisfy the same level of demands that other tools are. So, there should be no expectation for it to perform to that level on all counts. Not sure why people expect all around, top tier performance from mid tier tools.
Expectations.
Enjoy your lens.
As should everyone ... pick the tool that works for you. And for some folks, that might be one that fits their desired rendering, size, weight, price, etc. Imo, the Contemporary Series is an option for those with less demands in certain areas. If your demands are different than what the Contemporary Series offers, then assuredly those folks should look elsewhere ... Sigma already recognizes that with the Art Series. Not sure why some folks have such a difficult time understanding that the Contemporary Series isn't designed to be on the same tier as the Art Series or some other mfr offerings (in all regards) ... yet, want to complain that it isn't.
Expectations.
For me, as to the 45/2.8 Contemporary ... I'm looking for a close focusing short normal / long wide in the L mount. Given that there aren't a lot of options that fit that bill, I'm at least giving consideration to the lens. Since I don't have to worry about AF-C on Sony bodies, it is still a lens for my personal consideration. If you know of any other close focus lenses that could be contenders in the L mount, I'll gladly consider them too.
chez wrote: RustyBug wrote: chez wrote: RustyBug wrote:
40 Batis vs. 45 Contemporary
361g vs. 215g ... (168%)
91mm vs. 64mm ... (142%)
93mm vs. 46mm ... (200%)
8463 mm^3 vs. 2944 mm^3 ... (287%)
$1,104 vs. $549 ... (200%)
Expectations
One does the job...the other
I spend many thousands of dollars each year on travel to bring back photos. Spending an extra $500 with something that gives me confidence when I press the shutter is well worth it. I'm about to join Photographer's without borders where it is expected to bring back the images...i don't want to second guess.
Everyone values different aspects of their gear. I value light weight gear a lot...but the gear needs to perform under the conditions I use it.
And no one is debating that.
The point is that for those who do choose a price point, size point, weight point ... they should NOT BE SURPRISED that the performance might be different from something that is in a different league.
Different tools ... pick the one that fits the job.
No need to "justify" wanting the right tool for your job. Imo, that's a given ... I wouldn't expect anything less. The point here is that the "Contemporary" Series is not built to satisfy the same level of demands that other tools are. So, there should be no expectation for it to perform to that level on all counts. Not sure why people expect all around, top tier performance from mid tier tools.
Expectations.
Enjoy your lens.
As should everyone ... pick the tool that works for you. And for some folks, that might be one that fits their desired rendering, size, weight, price, etc. Imo, the Contemporary Series is an option for those with less demands in certain areas. If your demands are different than what the Contemporary Series offers, then assuredly those folks should look elsewhere ... Sigma already recognizes that with the Art Series. Not sure why some folks have such a difficult time understanding that the Contemporary Series isn't designed to be on the same tier as the Art Series or some other mfr offerings (in all regards) ... yet, want to complain that it isn't.
chez wrote: RustyBug wrote: chez wrote: RustyBug wrote:
40 Batis vs. 45 Contemporary
361g vs. 215g ... (168%)
91mm vs. 64mm ... (142%)
93mm vs. 46mm ... (200%)
8463 mm^3 vs. 2944 mm^3 ... (287%)
$1,104 vs. $549 ... (200%)
Expectations
One does the job...the other
I spend many thousands of dollars each year on travel to bring back photos. Spending an extra $500 with something that gives me confidence when I press the shutter is well worth it. I'm about to join Photographer's without borders where it is expected to bring back the images...i don't want to second guess.
Everyone values different aspects of their gear. I value light weight gear a lot...but the gear needs to perform under the conditions I use it.
And no one is debating that.
The point is that for those who do choose a price point, size point, weight point ... they should NOT BE SURPRISED that the performance might be different from something that is in a different league.
Different tools ... pick the one that fits the job.
No need to "justify" wanting the right tool for your job. Imo, that's a given ... I wouldn't expect anything less. The point here is that the "Contemporary" Series is not built to satisfy the same level of demands that other tools are. So, there should be no expectation for it to perform to that level on all counts. Not sure why people expect all around, top tier performance from mid tier tools.
Expectations.
Enjoy your lens.
As should everyone ... pick the tool that works for you. And for some folks, that might be one that fits their desired rendering, size, weight, price, etc. Imo, the Contemporary Series is an option for those with less demands in certain areas. If your demands are different than what the Contemporary Series offers, then assuredly those folks should look elsewhere ... Sigma already recognizes that with the Art Series. Not sure why some folks have such a difficult time understanding that the Contemporary Series isn't designed to be on the same tier as the Art Series or some other mfr offerings (in all regards) ... yet, want to complain that it isn't.
chez wrote: RustyBug wrote: chez wrote: RustyBug wrote:
40 Batis vs. 45 Contemporary
361g vs. 215g ... (168%)
91mm vs. 64mm ... (142%)
93mm vs. 46mm ... (200%)
8463 mm^3 vs. 2944 mm^3 ... (287%)
$1,104 vs. $549 ... (200%)
Expectations
One does the job...the other
I spend many thousands of dollars each year on travel to bring back photos. Spending an extra $500 with something that gives me confidence when I press the shutter is well worth it. I'm about to join Photographer's without borders where it is expected to bring back the images...i don't want to second guess.
Everyone values different aspects of their gear. I value light weight gear a lot...but the gear needs to perform under the conditions I use it.
And no one is debating that.
The point is that for those who do choose a price point, size point, weight point ... they should NOT BE SURPRISED that the performance might be different from something that is in a different league.
Different tools ... pick the one that fits the job.
No need to "justify" wanting the right tool for your job. Imo, that's a given ... I wouldn't expect anything less. The point here is that the "Contemporary" Series is not built to satisfy the same level of demands that other tools are. So, there should be no expectation for it to perform to that level on all counts. Not sure why people expect all around, top tier performance from mid tier tools.
Expectations.
Enjoy your lens.
As should everyone ... pick the tool that works for you. And for some folks, that might be one that fits their desired rendering, size, weight, price, etc. Imo, the Contemporary Series is an option for those with less demands in certain areas. If your demands are different than what the Contemporary Series offers, then assuredly those folks should look elsewhere ... Sigma already recognizes that with the Art Series. Not sure why some folks have such a difficult time understanding that the Contemporary Series isn't designed to be on the same tier as the Art Series or some other offerings (in all regards) ... yet, want to complain that it isn't.
Expectations.
Dec 13, 2020 at 09:51 PM
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