Makten wrote: lightskyland wrote:
95% of the complaints here (and everywhere) about this camera are just completely off-base.
This is essentially like people who own an RX10M4 complaining about an RX100M7 for being too small and having a smaller viewfinder and fewer controls.
Sony is giving people a choice. Some want a large FF, camera, some want a small FF camera, some want both for different use cases.
I (and others) will gladly buy the A7C because of the size, and also look forward to additional models in the future (in particular, a high-resolution version).
And some people don't fit at all in the marketing strategy. I've been looking for a small camera with IBIS, large sensor and tilting screen forever. It doesn't exist, if you also want a decent user interface not targeted at noobs. Not even if you go APS-C.
I don't care about AF and I don't even need a viewfinder since I shoot mostly from waist level. But the screen on the a7C is awkward since it doesn't flip straight up. Where am I gonna place my left hand if the screen is pointing to the left?
The functions I need buttons for would easily fit an even smaller camera, so that's not a problem. It's just not targeted at me, and no other camera is either. I almost broke down when Ricoh finally launched the GR III and STILL no tilting screen.
And now this... Another punch in the face.
A7c as 'THE marketing strategy'?! I am not sure it deserves such description. I would say it could have been a much more marketing success if Sony would have paid more attention to the user interface. As you said it, there is nothing in the size that obstructs a better user interface whether it is more buttons and dials or a thorough touch interface. They seem not taking the UI seriously enough that is, they think they will sell the camera anyway. That is to be seen. Of course, Sony made many major right decisions in the development of their E-mount system: compactness, full frame, advanced AF and, image quality were their main objectives. Other companies take UI more seriously. Minolta (upon which the Sony's system was first based upon) was taking the UI quite seriously.
Sony had touch interface in their early Nex cameras. That was the time when the touch screen had just appeared and was à la mode. Later, they replaced the capacitive type touch screen of Nex 5n with a pressure based one (in the subsequent models) which wasn't as responsive to work with; a move that made many Nex users unhappy. Subsequently instead of fixing its flaws and shortcomings, they completely dropped the touch interface. I get the impression that some people at Sony just don't feel like the user interface and touch operation is their thing. So often when they do something about these aspects of their products, it is simply a response to criticism and user feedback (complaints, negative reviews, etc.) rather than a genuine point of view which considers UI an important and integral part of hardware manufacturing. There is so much reluctance on the their part about this aspect of their system. It's rather a belief-like attitude towards manufacturing than a 'marketing strategy'. They just don't want to deal with it, as little as possible, only what is enough and necessary to operate the hardware. They have the same attitude towards their software (Playmemories, Sony Imaging Edge, etc.).
Makten wrote: lightskyland wrote:
95% of the complaints here (and everywhere) about this camera are just completely off-base.
This is essentially like people who own an RX10M4 complaining about an RX100M7 for being too small and having a smaller viewfinder and fewer controls.
Sony is giving people a choice. Some want a large FF, camera, some want a small FF camera, some want both for different use cases.
I (and others) will gladly buy the A7C because of the size, and also look forward to additional models in the future (in particular, a high-resolution version).
And some people don't fit at all in the marketing strategy. I've been looking for a small camera with IBIS, large sensor and tilting screen forever. It doesn't exist, if you also want a decent user interface not targeted at noobs. Not even if you go APS-C.
I don't care about AF and I don't even need a viewfinder since I shoot mostly from waist level. But the screen on the a7C is awkward since it doesn't flip straight up. Where am I gonna place my left hand if the screen is pointing to the left?
The functions I need buttons for would easily fit an even smaller camera, so that's not a problem. It's just not targeted at me, and no other camera is either. I almost broke down when Ricoh finally launched the GR III and STILL no tilting screen.
And now this... Another punch in the face.
A7c as 'THE marketing strategy'?! I am not sure it deserves such description. I would say it could have been a much more marketing success if Sony would have paid more attention to the user interface. As you said it, there is nothing in the size that obstructs a better user interface whether it is more buttons and dials or a thorough touch interface. They seem not taking the UI seriously enough that is, they think they will sell the camera anyway. That is to be seen. Of course, Sony made many major right decisions in the development of their E-mount system: compactness, full frame, advanced AF and, image quality were their main objectives. Other companies take UI more seriously. Minolta (upon which the Sony's system was first based upon) was taking the UI quite seriously.
Sony had touch interface in their early Nex cameras. That was the time when the touch screen had just appeared and was à la mode. Later, they replaced the capacitive type touch screen of Nex 5n with a pressure based one (in the subsequent models) which wasn't as responsive to work with; a move that made many Nex users unhappy. Subsequently instead of fixing its flaws and shortcomings, they completely dropped the touch interface. I get the impression that some people at Sony just don't feel like the user interface and touch operation is their thing. So often when they do something about these aspects of their products, it is simply a response to criticism and user feedback (complaints, negative reviews, etc.) rather than a genuine point of view which considers UI an important and integral part of hardware manufacturing. There is so much reluctance on the their part about this aspect of their system. It's rather a belief-like attitude towards manufacturing than a 'marketing strategy'. They just don't want to deal with it, as little as possible, only what is enough and necessary to operate the hardware. They have the same attitude towards the software needed on the computer to communicate with their camera (Playmemories, Sony Imaging Edge, etc.).
Makten wrote: lightskyland wrote:
95% of the complaints here (and everywhere) about this camera are just completely off-base.
This is essentially like people who own an RX10M4 complaining about an RX100M7 for being too small and having a smaller viewfinder and fewer controls.
Sony is giving people a choice. Some want a large FF, camera, some want a small FF camera, some want both for different use cases.
I (and others) will gladly buy the A7C because of the size, and also look forward to additional models in the future (in particular, a high-resolution version).
And some people don't fit at all in the marketing strategy. I've been looking for a small camera with IBIS, large sensor and tilting screen forever. It doesn't exist, if you also want a decent user interface not targeted at noobs. Not even if you go APS-C.
I don't care about AF and I don't even need a viewfinder since I shoot mostly from waist level. But the screen on the a7C is awkward since it doesn't flip straight up. Where am I gonna place my left hand if the screen is pointing to the left?
The functions I need buttons for would easily fit an even smaller camera, so that's not a problem. It's just not targeted at me, and no other camera is either. I almost broke down when Ricoh finally launched the GR III and STILL no tilting screen.
And now this... Another punch in the face.
A7c as 'THE marketing strategy'?! I am not sure it deserves such description. I would say it could have been a much more marketing success if Sony would have paid more attention to the user interface. As you said it, there is nothing in the size that obstructs a better user interface whether it is more buttons and dials or a thorough touch interface. They seem not taking the UI seriously enough that is, they think they will sell the camera anyway and, that is to be seen. Of course, Sony made many right decisions in the development of their E-mount system: compactness, full frame, advanced AF and, image quality were their main objectives. Other companies take UI more seriously. Minolta (upon which the Sony's system was based upon) was taking the UI quite seriously too.
Sony had touch interface in their early Nex cameras. That was the time when the touch screen had just appeared and was à la mode. Later, they replaced the capacitive type touch interface of 5n with a pressure based one in subsequent models which wasn't as responsive to work with; a move that made many Nex users unhappy. Subsequently instead of fixing its flaws and shortcomings, they completely abandoned the touch interface. I get the impression that some people at Sony just don't feel like the user interface and touch operation is their thing. So often when they do something about these aspects of their products, it is simply a response to criticism and user feedback (complaints negative reviews, etc.) rather than a genuine point of view which considers UI an important and integral part of hardware manufacturing. There is so much reluctance on the their part about this aspect of their system. It's rather a belief-like attitude towards manufacturing than a 'marketing strategy'. They just don't want to deal with it, as little as possible, only what is enough and necessary to operate the hardware. They have the same attitude towards the software needed on the computer to communicate with their camera (Playmemories, Sony Imaging Edge, etc.).
Makten wrote: lightskyland wrote:
95% of the complaints here (and everywhere) about this camera are just completely off-base.
This is essentially like people who own an RX10M4 complaining about an RX100M7 for being too small and having a smaller viewfinder and fewer controls.
Sony is giving people a choice. Some want a large FF, camera, some want a small FF camera, some want both for different use cases.
I (and others) will gladly buy the A7C because of the size, and also look forward to additional models in the future (in particular, a high-resolution version).
And some people don't fit at all in the marketing strategy. I've been looking for a small camera with IBIS, large sensor and tilting screen forever. It doesn't exist, if you also want a decent user interface not targeted at noobs. Not even if you go APS-C.
I don't care about AF and I don't even need a viewfinder since I shoot mostly from waist level. But the screen on the a7C is awkward since it doesn't flip straight up. Where am I gonna place my left hand if the screen is pointing to the left?
The functions I need buttons for would easily fit an even smaller camera, so that's not a problem. It's just not targeted at me, and no other camera is either. I almost broke down when Ricoh finally launched the GR III and STILL no tilting screen.
And now this... Another punch in the face.
A7c as 'THE marketing strategy'?! I am not sure it deserves such description. I would say it could have been a much more marketing success if Sony would have paid more attention to the user interface. As you said it, there is nothing in the size that obstructs a better user interface whether it is more buttons and dials or a thorough touch interface. They seem not taking the UI seriously enough that is, they think they will sell the camera anyway and, that is to be seen. Of course, Sony made many right decisions in the development of their E-mount system: compactness, full frame, advanced AF and, image quality were their main objectives. Other companies take UI more seriously. Minolta (upon which the Sony's system was based upon) was taking the UI quite seriously too.
Sony had touch interface in their early Nex cameras. That was the the time touch interface had just apeared and was à la mode. Then they replaced the capacitive type touch interface of 5n with a pressure based one in subsequent models which wasn't as responsive to work with; a move that made many Nex users unhappy. Subsequently, they completely abandoned the touch interface instead of fixing its flaws and shortcomings. I get the impression that some people at Sony just don't feel like the user interface and touch operation is their thing. So often when they do something about these aspects of their products, it is simply a response to criticism and user feedback (criticism, negative reviews, etc.) rather than a genuine point of view which considers UI an important and integral part of hardware manufacturing. There is so much reluctance on the their part about this. It's more a belief-like attitude towards manufacturing than a 'marketing strategy'. They just don't want to deal with it instead, they just want to do as little as possible only enough and necessary to operate their hardware and quickly get done with it. They have the same attitude towards the software needed on the computer to communicate with their camera (Playmemories, Sony Imaging Edge, etc.).
Makten wrote: lightskyland wrote:
95% of the complaints here (and everywhere) about this camera are just completely off-base.
This is essentially like people who own an RX10M4 complaining about an RX100M7 for being too small and having a smaller viewfinder and fewer controls.
Sony is giving people a choice. Some want a large FF, camera, some want a small FF camera, some want both for different use cases.
I (and others) will gladly buy the A7C because of the size, and also look forward to additional models in the future (in particular, a high-resolution version).
And some people don't fit at all in the marketing strategy. I've been looking for a small camera with IBIS, large sensor and tilting screen forever. It doesn't exist, if you also want a decent user interface not targeted at noobs. Not even if you go APS-C.
I don't care about AF and I don't even need a viewfinder since I shoot mostly from waist level. But the screen on the a7C is awkward since it doesn't flip straight up. Where am I gonna place my left hand if the screen is pointing to the left?
The functions I need buttons for would easily fit an even smaller camera, so that's not a problem. It's just not targeted at me, and no other camera is either. I almost broke down when Ricoh finally launched the GR III and STILL no tilting screen.
And now this... Another punch in the face.
If we call A7c 'THE marketing strategy'. I am not sure it deserves the title. It could have been a much more marketing success if Sony would have paid more attention to the user interface. As you said it, there is nothing in the size that obstructs a better user interface whether it is more buttons and dials or a thorough touch interface. They seem not taking the UI seriously enough that is, they think they will sell the camera anyway and, that is to be seen. Of course, Sony made many right decisions in the development of their E-mount system: compactness, full frame, advanced AF and, image quality were their main objectives. Other companies take UI more seriously. Minolta (upon which the Sony's system was based upon) was taking the UI quite seriously too.
Sony had touch interface in their early Nex cameras. That was the the time touch interface had just apeared and was à la mode. Then they replaced the capacitive type touch interface of 5n with a pressure based one in subsequent models which wasn't as responsive to work with; a move that made many Nex users unhappy. Subsequently, they completely abandoned the touch interface instead of fixing its flaws and shortcomings. I get the impression that some people at Sony just don't feel like the user interface and touch operation is their thing. So often when they do something about these aspects of their products, it is simply a response to criticism and user feedback (criticism, negative reviews, etc.) rather than a genuine point of view which considers UI an important and integral part of hardware manufacturing. There is so much reluctance on the their part about this. It's more a belief-like attitude towards manufacturing than a 'marketing strategy'. They just don't want to deal with it instead, they just want to do as little as possible only enough and necessary to operate their hardware and quickly get done with it. They have the same attitude towards the software needed on the computer to communicate with their camera (Playmemories, Sony Imaging Edge, etc.).
Makten wrote: lightskyland wrote:
95% of the complaints here (and everywhere) about this camera are just completely off-base.
This is essentially like people who own an RX10M4 complaining about an RX100M7 for being too small and having a smaller viewfinder and fewer controls.
Sony is giving people a choice. Some want a large FF, camera, some want a small FF camera, some want both for different use cases.
I (and others) will gladly buy the A7C because of the size, and also look forward to additional models in the future (in particular, a high-resolution version).
And some people don't fit at all in the marketing strategy. I've been looking for a small camera with IBIS, large sensor and tilting screen forever. It doesn't exist, if you also want a decent user interface not targeted at noobs. Not even if you go APS-C.
I don't care about AF and I don't even need a viewfinder since I shoot mostly from waist level. But the screen on the a7C is awkward since it doesn't flip straight up. Where am I gonna place my left hand if the screen is pointing to the left?
The functions I need buttons for would easily fit an even smaller camera, so that's not a problem. It's just not targeted at me, and no other camera is either. I almost broke down when Ricoh finally launched the GR III and STILL no tilting screen.
And now this... Another punch in the face.
If we call A7c 'THE marketing strategy'. I am not sure it deserves the title. It could have been a much more marketing success if Sony would have paid more attention to the user interface. As you said it, there is nothing in the size that obstructs a better user interface whether it is more buttons and dials or a thorough touch interface. They seem not taking the UI seriously enough that is, they think they will sell the camera anyway and, that is to be seen. Of course, Sony made many right decisions in the development of their E-mount system: compactness, full frame, advanced AF and, image quality were their main objectives. Other companies take UI more seriously. Minolta (upon which the Sony's system was based upon) was taking the UI quite seriously too.
Sony had touch interface in their early Nex cameras. That was the the time touch interface had just apeared and was à la mode. Then they replaced the capacitive type touch interface of 5n with a pressure based one in subsequent models which wasn't as responsive to work with; a move that made many Nex users unhappy. Subsequently, they completely abandoned the touch interface instead of fixing its flaws and shortcomings. I get the impression that some people at Sony just don't feel like the user interface and touch operation is their thing. So often when they do something about these aspects of their products, it is simply a response to criticism and user feedback (criticism, negative reviews, etc.) rather than a genuine point of view which considers UI an important and integral part of hardware manufacturing. There is so much reluctance on the their part about this. It's more a belief-like attitude towards manufacturing than a 'marketing strategy'. They just don't want to deal with it instead, they just want to do as little as possible only enough and necessary to operate their hardware and quickly get done with it.
Makten wrote: lightskyland wrote:
95% of the complaints here (and everywhere) about this camera are just completely off-base.
This is essentially like people who own an RX10M4 complaining about an RX100M7 for being too small and having a smaller viewfinder and fewer controls.
Sony is giving people a choice. Some want a large FF, camera, some want a small FF camera, some want both for different use cases.
I (and others) will gladly buy the A7C because of the size, and also look forward to additional models in the future (in particular, a high-resolution version).
And some people don't fit at all in the marketing strategy. I've been looking for a small camera with IBIS, large sensor and tilting screen forever. It doesn't exist, if you also want a decent user interface not targeted at noobs. Not even if you go APS-C.
I don't care about AF and I don't even need a viewfinder since I shoot mostly from waist level. But the screen on the a7C is awkward since it doesn't flip straight up. Where am I gonna place my left hand if the screen is pointing to the left?
The functions I need buttons for would easily fit an even smaller camera, so that's not a problem. It's just not targeted at me, and no other camera is either. I almost broke down when Ricoh finally launched the GR III and STILL no tilting screen.
And now this... Another punch in the face.
If we call A7c 'THE marketing strategy'. I am not sure it deserves the title. It could have been a much more marketing success if Sony would have paid more attention to the user interface. As you said it, there is nothing in the size that obstructs a better user interface whether it is more buttons and dials or a thorough touch interface. They seem not taking the UI seriously enough that is, they think they will sell the camera anyway and, that is to be seen. Of course, Sony made many right decisions in the development of their E-mount system: compactness, full frame, advanced AF and, image quality were their main objectives. Other companies take UI more seriously. Minolta (upon which the Sony's system was based upon) was taking the UI quite seriously too.
Sep 27, 2020 at 09:56 AM
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