Re: Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
nhsonyshooter wrote: Steve Spencer wrote: nhsonyshooter wrote: Steve Spencer wrote: nhsonyshooter wrote: Steve Spencer wrote: nhsonyshooter wrote: nehemiahphoto wrote: sebboh wrote: nehemiahphoto wrote:
I am fine with it, I could even do 18 megapixels, or the original a7 series battery. I have other preferences like a higher res s sensor, a joystick or more buttons, but like Sebboh said, I’m not expecting this to be a pro camera and won’t hold it to that level.
The price and the size and ergo compromises I am fine with. The only thing that really blows is how bad that EVF is. I would have pre-ordered if it was even at the original a 7x series, or like an RX1r2 but fixed.
yeah, my big beefs with it (given that i've never actually used it) are the viewfinder and the swivel out LCD (rather than tilt up). i won't preorder because I never do, but i will probably buy one as soon as i can try out the viewfinder in person. the release of this camera is the only thing keeping me with sony rather than switching to nikon when i get my next camera. i like nikon ergonomics and files a little better and all the other sony cameras have been getting more and more bloated to the point that there is no size advantage over the competition, which was the reason i went with sony to begin with. i have been sticking with my a7 classic long past its expiration date to avoid the size increase.
This would have been my first pre-ordered camera ever. Now I’ll wait to try the EVF in person and decide too.
The Nikon’s are similar in size to me to Sony’s with too similar of IQ, and the few native lenses I do have aren’t available in Nikon mount, so I’ll keep Sony, though I don’t see the bodies as much different, and still IQ is so similar unless you want/need 60MP or really clean high iso (a7sx).
Just go to Best buy or your local shop and look through an Rx100 vii EVF, it's the same thing.
Nah, the pop up on EVF on that will have a different eye point and will let in stray light differently from the built-in one on the A7c. That may or may not make a difference. I want to try out this built in one before I make a decision and I don't want to be led astray by a similar but not quite the same EVF on a different camera.
So predictable Go for it!
Let's see Nehemiah outlines the thoughtful approach he is going to take in evaluating the camera. You offer a flippant and dismissive response (just go to Best Buy) that has not considered the potential drawbacks of that flippant response. I point out the drawbacks and you say it is predictable. Yeah, unfortunately that all is totally predictable .
I love Psychologists They think they know what everyone is thinking all the time. My answer to his question was a simple one. Certainly not flippant and dismissive. I just didn't know if he was aware it's the same EVF. Unlike your approach where you have to write a novel anytime you respond. I tried to keep it simple and short. The predictable part was you replying to my comment. Starting off with Nah and ending with "it may or may not make a difference". Your the best
Well, you don't know me or what I was thinking and I never claimed to know you or what you were thinking. The response, "go to Best Buy," sounds flippant and dismissive. It also is wrong that it is the same EVF for the reasons I outlined. What is not surprising is your sarcasm in dissing me by saying you "love" people in my profession and that I am "the best." You may not make long posts but you take plenty of opportunities to make that sort of sarcastic pot shot.
"I never claimed to know you or what you were thinking"
Sure you did. You called my statement flippant and dismissive. How can you come to that conclusion if you don't "think" you know me. I wasn't even talking to you. All I did was make a simple suggestion to someone else which you somehow twisted. If it was anyone else on this forum you would not have made that statement. There is a simple fix for this Cliff. Don't comment on anything I say.Then I will not have to reply. Everyone here wins
Notice what you wrote there. I called your "statement," not you or your thoughts flippant and dismissive. I don't have to know what you are thinking to know that your statement is flippant and dismissive I can know that from the simple words you are using. I made an evaluation of your statement, "go to Best Buy," based simply on the words you chose. That statement sounds flippant and dismissive to me. I commented, however, not because the statement was flippant and dismissive but because I thought the statement was bad advice. I am not at all sure that the experience of the viewfinder on the RX100 VII is going to tell anyone much about how they would like the viewfinder of the A7c. They are not the same viewfinder even if they have similar specs. A pop up viewfinder without an eye cup may not be the same experience as a built-in viewfinder with a cup. Someone could easily be misled by the strategy you suggested. That's my opinion anyway and that is why I commented. Notice I didn't even mention the flippant nature of your comment in my first response.
So evaluate my statements all you like, but please don't try to tell me what I was thinking. You don't know that and you can't possibly know that.
Re: Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
nhsonyshooter wrote: Steve Spencer wrote: nhsonyshooter wrote: Steve Spencer wrote: nhsonyshooter wrote: Steve Spencer wrote: nhsonyshooter wrote: nehemiahphoto wrote: sebboh wrote: nehemiahphoto wrote:
I am fine with it, I could even do 18 megapixels, or the original a7 series battery. I have other preferences like a higher res s sensor, a joystick or more buttons, but like Sebboh said, I’m not expecting this to be a pro camera and won’t hold it to that level.
The price and the size and ergo compromises I am fine with. The only thing that really blows is how bad that EVF is. I would have pre-ordered if it was even at the original a 7x series, or like an RX1r2 but fixed.
yeah, my big beefs with it (given that i've never actually used it) are the viewfinder and the swivel out LCD (rather than tilt up). i won't preorder because I never do, but i will probably buy one as soon as i can try out the viewfinder in person. the release of this camera is the only thing keeping me with sony rather than switching to nikon when i get my next camera. i like nikon ergonomics and files a little better and all the other sony cameras have been getting more and more bloated to the point that there is no size advantage over the competition, which was the reason i went with sony to begin with. i have been sticking with my a7 classic long past its expiration date to avoid the size increase.
This would have been my first pre-ordered camera ever. Now I’ll wait to try the EVF in person and decide too.
The Nikon’s are similar in size to me to Sony’s with too similar of IQ, and the few native lenses I do have aren’t available in Nikon mount, so I’ll keep Sony, though I don’t see the bodies as much different, and still IQ is so similar unless you want/need 60MP or really clean high iso (a7sx).
Just go to Best buy or your local shop and look through an Rx100 vii EVF, it's the same thing.
Nah, the pop up on EVF on that will have a different eye point and will let in stray light differently from the built-in one on the A7c. That may or may not make a difference. I want to try out this built in one before I make a decision and I don't want to be led astray by a similar but not quite the same EVF on a different camera.
So predictable Go for it!
Let's see Nehemiah outlines the thoughtful approach he is going to take in evaluating the camera. You offer a flippant and dismissive response (just go to Best Buy) that has not considered the potential drawbacks of that flippant response. I point out the drawbacks and you say it is predictable. Yeah, unfortunately that all is totally predictable .
I love Psychologists They think they know what everyone is thinking all the time. My answer to his question was a simple one. Certainly not flippant and dismissive. I just didn't know if he was aware it's the same EVF. Unlike your approach where you have to write a novel anytime you respond. I tried to keep it simple and short. The predictable part was you replying to my comment. Starting off with Nah and ending with "it may or may not make a difference". Your the best
Well, you don't know me or what I was thinking and I never claimed to know you or what you were thinking. The response, "go to Best Buy," sounds flippant and dismissive. It also is wrong that it is the same EVF for the reasons I outlined. What is not surprising is your sarcasm in dissing me by saying you "love" people in my profession and that I am "the best." You may not make long posts but you take plenty of opportunities to make that sort of sarcastic pot shot.
"I never claimed to know you or what you were thinking"
Sure you did. You called my statement flippant and dismissive. How can you come to that conclusion if you don't "think" you know me. I wasn't even talking to you. All I did was make a simple suggestion to someone else which you somehow twisted. If it was anyone else on this forum you would not have made that statement. There is a simple fix for this Cliff. Don't comment on anything I say.Then I will not have to reply. Everyone here wins
Notice what you wrote there. I called your "statement," not you or your thoughts flippant and dismissive. I don't have to know what you are thinking to know that your statement is flippant and dismissive I can know that from the simple words you are using. I made an evaluation of your statement, "go to Best Buy," based simply on the words you chose. That statement sounds flippant and dismissive to me. I commented, however, not because the statement was flippant and dismissive but because I thought the statement was bad advice. I am not at all sure that the experience of the viewfinder on the RX100 VII is going to tell anyone much of how they would like the viewfinder of the A7c. They are not the same viewfinder even if they have similar specs. A pop up viewfinder without an eye cup may not be the same experience as a built-in viewfinder with a cup. Someone could easily be misled by the strategy you suggested. That's my opinion anyway and that is why I commented. Notice I didn't even mention the flippant nature of your comment in my first response.
So evaluate my statements all you like, but please don't try to tell me what I was thinking. You don't know that and you can't possibly know that.
Sep 16, 2020 at 05:13 PM
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