Re: Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
DavidBM wrote:
And that shrinking requires entirely new parts. The new monocoque mag body cast in one piece, and entirely new miniature FF IBIS system, a new compact shutter assembly, new viewfinder optics to fit into the smaller space. It’s clear there has been serious development work, work justified by it being the beginning of a new series (which hopefully will bring the higher res version I’ll buy for multi day hiking.
Many people who have for a long time anted a smaller compact but still full frame ILC are rejoicing, some of them even here.
What surprises me is that so many people who clearly were never in the market for something like this are so upset by it.
Maybe some of them were hoping for something else: either a cheap entry level camera with worse build like an Early A6k series With FF sensor, or maybe something every bit as fully featured as the A74 is meant to be, but with a rangefinder positioned viewfinder (this would be no lighter or smaller than an A74 and I can’t see sony putting the same features into bodies the same size with style the only difference)
But we didn’t get either of those things, we got a fairly premium build and mainstream specs in a body which has compromises that are likely all more or less necessary for its size and weight. I for one am happy (or will be when there is a higher res version, though the current version tempts me a little).
Maybe the difference between you and us is that we just do not buy into any BS, manufacturers may come up with: new concept, smallest blah, blah blah. A camera is not about being registered in a world record book, it is about functionality, practicality, etc.. Many people including me have always wanted a small RF body in RF form factor but they don't want a semi P&S interface. And please, I do not buy into this BS about compromises being necessary for its size and weight. I was hoping if they dropped the customized buttons, they would at least add the complete touch interface just like A7s iii to compensate for that. I find it absolutely ridiculous that this camera has been marketed for the new generation vloggers yet, it lacks a touch interface. I find it absolutely ridiculous that an electronic company who wants to compete with Apple and Samsung in touch operated market of smart phones releases a $1800 camera in 2020 without touch interface. For me it is partially the insult that Sony has thrown at us. We must be dump. They can severely cut on things and still sell it for more or less the same price (A7 iii). I don't care if some will buy it. I will not be one of them.
Re: Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
DavidBM wrote:
And that shrinking requires entirely new parts. The new monocoque mag body cast in one piece, and entirely new miniature FF IBIS system, a new compact shutter assembly, new viewfinder optics to fit into the smaller space. It’s clear there has been serious development work, work justified by it being the beginning of a new series (which hopefully will bring the higher res version I’ll buy for multi day hiking.
Many people who have for a long time anted a smaller compact but still full frame ILC are rejoicing, some of them even here.
What surprises me is that so many people who clearly were never in the market for something like this are so upset by it.
Maybe some of them were hoping for something else: either a cheap entry level camera with worse build like an Early A6k series With FF sensor, or maybe something every bit as fully featured as the A74 is meant to be, but with a rangefinder positioned viewfinder (this would be no lighter or smaller than an A74 and I can’t see sony putting the same features into bodies the same size with style the only difference)
But we didn’t get either of those things, we got a fairly premium build and mainstream specs in a body which has compromises that are likely all more or less necessary for its size and weight. I for one am happy (or will be when there is a higher res version, though the current version tempts me a little).
Maybe the difference between you and us is that we just do not buy into any BS, manufacturers may come up with: new concept, smallest blah, blah blah. A camera is not about being registered in a world record book, it is about functionality, practicality, etc.. Many people including me have always wanted a small RF body in RF form factor but they don't want a semi P&S interface. And please, I do not buy into this BS about compromises being necessary for its size and weight. I was hoping if they dropped the customized buttons, they would at least add the complete touch interface just like A7s iii to (partially) compensate for that. I find it absolutely ridiculous that this camera has been marketed for the new generation vloggers yet, it lacks a touch interface. I find it absolutely ridiculous that an electronic company who wants to compete with Apple and Samsung in touch operated market of smart phones releases a $1800 camera in 2020 without touch interface. For me it is partially the insult that Sony has thrown at us. We must be dump. They can severely cut on things and still sell it for more or less the same price (A7 iii). I don't care if some will buy it. I will not be one of them.
Re: Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
DavidBM wrote:
And that shrinking requires entirely new parts. The new monocoque mag body cast in one piece, and entirely new miniature FF IBIS system, a new compact shutter assembly, new viewfinder optics to fit into the smaller space. It’s clear there has been serious development work, work justified by it being the beginning of a new series (which hopefully will bring the higher res version I’ll buy for multi day hiking.
Many people who have for a long time anted a smaller compact but still full frame ILC are rejoicing, some of them even here.
What surprises me is that so many people who clearly were never in the market for something like this are so upset by it.
Maybe some of them were hoping for something else: either a cheap entry level camera with worse build like an Early A6k series With FF sensor, or maybe something every bit as fully featured as the A74 is meant to be, but with a rangefinder positioned viewfinder (this would be no lighter or smaller than an A74 and I can’t see sony putting the same features into bodies the same size with style the only difference)
But we didn’t get either of those things, we got a fairly premium build and mainstream specs in a body which has compromises that are likely all more or less necessary for its size and weight. I for one am happy (or will be when there is a higher res version, though the current version tempts me a little).
Maybe the difference between you and us is that we just do not buy into any BS, manufacturers may come up with: new concept, smallest blah, blah blah. A camera is not about being registered in a world record book, it is about functionality, practicality, etc.. Many people including me have always wanted a small RF body in RF form factor but they don't want a semi P&S interface. And please, I do not buy into this BS about compromises being necessary for its size and weight. I was hoping if they dropped the customized buttons, they would at least add the complete touch interface just like A7s iii to (partially) compensate for that. I find it absolutely ridiculous that this camera has been marketed for the new generation vloggers yet, it lacks a touch interface. I find it absolutely ridiculous that an electronic company who wants to compete with Apple and Samsung in touch operated market of smart phones releases a $1800 camera in 2020 without touch interface. For me it is partially the insult that Sony has thrown at us. We must be so dump that they can severely cut on things and still sell it for more or less the same price (A7 iii). I don't care if some will buy it. I will not be one of them.
Sep 16, 2020 at 07:15 AM
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