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Re: Upcoming Compact Full Frame A7C?!?!


nehemiahphoto wrote:
DaveFP wrote:
nehemiahphoto wrote:
DaveFP wrote:
bmupix wrote:

nehemiahphoto wrote:
I am with you.

I often hike 10+ miles, I use nearly all RF lenses. Getting body that’s both lighter and less bulky is a huge benefit.

When I went to Guatemala for a week, I just opted to bring a RX1 due to size and hassle. If this body is as compact as I hope, I would now bring a dinky 21/35/75 trio.


That certainly is a versatile, compact and lightweight lens kit for hikes. I've settled on two of those for long hikes, the Voigtlander 21/3.5 and Sony Zeiss 35/2.8. I've just been waiting for a smaller lighter body to mount them on.

I used to own and love an RX1RII but I ended up using it only around home (Kuala Lumpur) because of the poor battery life. So on trips I usually took a camera that was larger than I prefer.


Really? The RX1 battery life was a limitation for you?

Gosh golly.

Many of us here came up on film. At best we were swapping the canister out every 36 images.

If I have a battery that will allow me to shoot 300 - 350 images without change I'm good.

Those of you who never shot film will never appreciate what technology has given you.

A shame really.


I also shoot and enjoy film.

The battery life sucks on the RX1. I’ve had multiple days where I’ve run through 4-5 batteries, and if it’s cold good luck—they die in minutes, literally. And if you’re camping or traveling not by a charger, good luck. And I don’t really like carrying around and worrying about multiple batteries. Sadly, the battery issue is also quite pronounced when shooting Astro—otherwise the RX1 is good for this.

If you read most reviews, even for the most credible sites, they will knock the battery as a significant issue. I think is more than a reasonable complaint. Especially given the RX1 is otherwise the best travel camera IMO on the market.


The battery life does not "suck".

The RX1 is a "proof-of-prowess" camera created to announce Sony's next chapter in the FF realm.

The camera was designed to be as small as possible.

That design brief required a tiny battery that would inevitably have a limited capacity relative to larger cameras with larger batteries.

The trick is to have the education to understand what you are buying BEFORE you buy it; not after.

Sony made it clear from the git-go that the battery had limited capacity.

People who could not work with that limitation had no business buying the camera in the first place.

Of course that doesn't stop people. In fact they love to buy the gear and then bitch about what it isn't.

There are "reviews" on B&H that complain that the Zeiss lenses are not AF. LMAO.

Incidentally - pre-ordered the RX-1 from Sony.com in the summer of 2012.

I have owned and used the camera as long as anyone else on here so I am very aware of what it can and cannot do.

Travelled all over the world with it without a problem.

I'm sure that's true for most people that have owned it.

For those that find it a struggle - buy something else.



Can you please tell me a full frame camera with worst battery life? Don’t worry—I understand the trade-off with size, and when it came out. But have you ever used the RX1 while being outside for several hours when it is below freezing? What is the longest you have use the RX1 when you did not have access to charge? Have you ever tried astro with it?

Just because you can work around it, doesn’t mean it’s not horrible. DPreview calls the battery “atrocious” on the RX1r2 Summary review. Pretty much any review you read, will ding the battery life.

I have also owned an RX1 series camera since they came out, and continue to shoot and love them.


Your missing the forest for the trees friend.

Can you please tell me of an auto-focusing full frame camera produced in 2012 that matches the RX1 for size and weight?

Your problem is that you have no sense of the context.

The RX1 is a 2012 (eight years old this summer) camera.

In the tech world it is considered a "classic" camera. The fact that Sony continues to sell it doesn't change that fact.

Sony's goal in producing the camera was not show how long a battery could last.

It was never marketed as an "all weather/ all temperature" camera nor was it marketed as "great for astro".

It was presented as a tour-de-force in the realm of miniaturization.

Those of us with STEM educations understand that anything that is "pushes the envelope" in one direction will almost invariably be compromised in other areas.

(only paradigm shifts in technology can reduce those compromises)

The RX1 is not good or bad. It just "is".

Up to the buyer to determine whether or not it meets your needs and desires.

Sounds like you had unrealistic expectations for this particular piece of equipment.

As an aside - I have always wanted, but will never purchase a Ricoh GR.

Why? Because it has no EVF and I can't use a camera without an EVF.

Imagine my buying one in spite of that fact and then coming on here and complaining that it "sucks" because I struggle to compose with it.

The camera would not be flawed; the ding dong struggling with the LCD is flawed.




Aug 31, 2020 at 07:09 PM





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