nhsonyshooter wrote: Steve Spencer wrote: Maxxus46 wrote:
How would you know that the IBIS is markedly better? Are you shooting with the R5/6 and which Sony bodies do you own and have you shot with? I'm curious because you seem to be defending the R5 in every thread. This thread is posted in the SONY forum so I would expect lots of comparisons to Canon vs Sony no? You may or may not like others opinions but they're just that - opinions. What you may have to may prove out true or false . State your opinions but allow others to do the same! There is NO proof that IBIS is better in the R5/R6 vs Sonys latest bodies. Just as there is no real world evidence yet that the new Canons autofocus is as precise as Sony's (i want to see real birders test these bodies and compare soon, not some Canon Ambassador)
RoamingScott wrote:
Their IBIS is markedly better than Sony in both photo and video applications. It’s one of the key positives to these cameras.
Maxxus46 wrote:
They advertised 8 stops on ibis. it’s not close... had they advertised truthfully (5 stops) I’d have appreciated that more. So their inline with every other mirrorless camera regarding IBIS.
I’m at least brand agnostic enough to keep brand names out of my online handles
nhsonyshooter wrote: RoamingScott wrote:
Given that the R reused the 5d4 sensor and the RP reused the 6d2 sensor...yeah, I’m gonna count the R5 and R6 as their true first gen full frame mirrorless bodies. My point still stands, they are better overall packages than the A72 or A7R were. Y’all can act butthurt about that statement, or argue semantics, but the R5/R6 aren’t the total abject failures you wish they were, despite their shortcomings against the modern market.
The fact that multiple people react to “engineering is hard” by saying I’m calling Canon a startup is puzzling. Canon is one of the very few manufactures still doing their own R&D in the photo industry. They’d have it a lot easier if they pulled a Nikon and just bought Sony parts and called it a day.
Not sure in this instance I would be bragging about "doing your own R&D". No one said the R5/R6 are "abject failures". There is good tech in these cameras that was poorly marketed and rushed out the door. Which are you buying? R5 or R6?
You do realize that CIPA (Camera & Imaging Products Association) had developed a standard for testing image stabilization. CIPA is an umbrella organization that: "is an international industry association consisting of members engaged in the development, production or sale of imaging related devices including digital cameras. The association's mission is to contribute to the business success of its members through various activities in securing fair business environments and by hosting events such as the world premier shows of camera and imaging devices, in addition to formulating worldwide industry standards to enhance the convenience of consumers." Sony, Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, Panasonic, and Sigma are all members of CIPA. A description of their industry standard for image stabilization can be found here:
Using that industry standard Sony's recent camera are rated as providing 5.5 stops of image stabilization. The Canon R5 is rated as providing 8 stops using that industry standard. Note the stops listed are for the industry standard testing described in the link above. People rarely are able to achieve such the full number of stops that are measured in the industry standardized testing--but how many stops you get is also dependent in the real world on how steady your hands are. In any event even though people don't typically get the number of stops measured in the industry standardized test, a higher number of stops in the CIPA testing generally translates in more stops in everyday life as well. So, there is some evidence that Canon has achieved better IBIS in the R5 than we have seen before and that evidence is in the industry standard CIPA testing.
Like you I want to see real world testing, but it isn't as if Canon just made up the number of stops for their IBIS. They had to use the industry standard testing.
As for what camera Scott uses, you can see a number of people's gear--including Scott's--by clicking on their profile. He uses a Sony A7r III, or at least that is what it says in his profile. Not sure why that matters, but the information is there for all to see.
"but it isn't as if Canon just made up the number of stops for their IBIS" ...... because Canon's has proven they are always straight forward with all their claims ? wink, wink
No Canon is not straight forward with all their claims. No manufacturer is. At the same time I have yet to see a company lie or even misrepresent industry standard testing. That would be stupid because some else can and will follow the industry standard protocol and it would be easy to demonstrate they lied, which would also open them up to all sorts of legal claims against them including obviously false advertising.
Limiting misleading claims is exactly why such industry standard testing is developing. It is one thing to say we increase DR (for which there is not industry standard testing) by 1.5 stops, which companies can and do lie about all the time. It is quite another thing to say based on CIPA standardized testing IBIS provided 8 stops stabilization. To lie about the first one is easy and there are no repercussion. To lie about the second one is not nearly so easy and can have clear and serious repercussions.
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