molson wrote: Scott Stoness wrote: molson wrote: Scott Stoness wrote: Chimping wrote: Scott Stoness wrote: molson wrote: Scott Stoness wrote: molson wrote: arbitrage wrote:
Don't bother with TCS...they are hopeless for preorders and getting good numbers in to satisfy demand.
As of noon yesterday, TCS had 58 firm orders for the R5. Their first allotment from Canon is 100 units, so at this point they will be getting more in their first shipment than people have signed up for...
You and got a different answer - they told me that:
1) Canon was looking for people who paid for it before allocating capacity
2) they already had about 50 on wait list but far less on paid basis
3) even if I paid there was low likelihood that I would get it soon
You must have spoken to the manager. I have also bought almost all most stuff at this store and I hope that they do well - I like them. But I am not going to put $5000 in their hands until I have the product in this credit crunched environment. And It felt like the guy I talked to was discouraging me from the waiting list. I encouraging me to buy now without getting it.
I spoke to the owner of the store yesterday.
The quick summary is that Canon was demanding that stores take deposits, as well as asking for other information that violates Canada's privacy laws. TCS told them they would ask for deposts, but not require them, nor would they turn over customer information to Canon without the customer's express permission or a liability waiver from Canon - at which point Canon apparently dropped their demands. Take that for what it's worth...
Obviously, anyone who puts money down should get priority over someone who hasn't, but if there are enough cameras to go around, you should be able to get one even without a deposit - unless they get a big rush of new pre-orders between now and the release date. You're making it sound like they were asking for payment in full in advance, which is not correct.
I really don't understand the panic mentality to get a new product hot off the assembly line... I guess my years as a Nikon owner taught me it's better to wait for the first three or four rounds of recalls before it's safe to buy a new product.
The guy on the phone was asking for payment in full - non refundable - through their website. I don't mind a $1000 or so non refundable deposit but not $5500. Everyone is at risk of bankruptcy now.
The "panic "for me is after September - there are no animals and my 5dsr is likely a better landscape winter camera and if a 85mpx camera is coming - why bother now. for the dis-benefit of lower resolution because the only benefit for R5 over 5dsr is fps and tracking animals for me.
I have a really good relationship with TCS, and when I knew the camera was coming I asked them to put my name down way before pre orders started. On preorder day TCS called me and said that they’re requiring a deposit - 10% of the value of the camera. I was happy to do that.
Thanks - I will put my name and my 10% down today. Last night I debated just buying a A7Riv to myself and concluded I am not ready yet to abandon Canon because of my Ts17, 200-400 and 600. And the new 100-500, 800/f11 and animal eye tracking suggest canon has seen the light. I am just really disappointed by the AA thing - which suggests emphasis on video vs stills.
Have you considered the Panasonic S1R? I know it doesn't have PDAF for shooting BIF, but you get the same 45MP but without the blur filter so about 10% better resolution, and you get about the same or better DR as the R5, and it will work just fine with your existing lenses on a Sigma MC-21 adapter. Best of all, there is no selfie-screen - just a two-axis tilting screen.
I had not considered panasonic.
But a quick look:
Adapters plus
1020 grams S1R (no AA) vs 750 grams R5 (AA) vs 650 grams A7RIV (No AA)
5dsr is better than that for me at 51mpx and no adapter
A7RIV is better than both but sony/adapter/poor weather performance... for 10% resolution gain -- on the fence
So for me its either wait for R5SR, buy A7RIV, or get the R5 and R5SR later.
The S1R with some of the new Panasonic lenses is capable of producing better images than the A7R IV, plus you can create 187MP RAW files in camera, but if you're sticking with Canon glass it may not make much difference.
Or try a Fuji GFX 50S - relatively light (the camera body, at least...), noticeably better dynamic range than the small-sensor cameras, but if you try the Fuji glass you might never want to go back to using your Canon lenses again...
I feel the normal range of RF lenses are much heavier and larger than many of voigtlander/zeiss for Sony that I enjoy.
Also you can not adapt Sony mount to Canon...
Is the Fuji GFX normal range lenses even larger and heavier than Canon's RF? Can you adapt Sony lenses to Fuji GFX?
I would have no issues using larger and heavier Telephoto lenses on any system as most telephoto = larger and heavier If one wants to shoot sports or wildlife.
Jul 13, 2020 at 11:35 AM
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