vdo1 wrote: Steve Spencer wrote: vdo111 wrote:
For reference, the non-APO CV 50/1.2 review thread closed after 31 pages. Looks like “f/1.2” is a lesser attraction than “APO”.
And that is a ridiculously simplistic analysis. How wide the aperture opens up and whether the lens is labelled as APO are not the only two differences between these lenses. Size, sharpness, bokeh, flatness of field, close up performance, coma, etc. all differ in these lenses as well. This statement does absolutely nothing to support your contention people here are swayed by APO rather than the other factors.
Interesting. So in your professional opinion, which of the following statements are best describing human behavior:
A) In a forum, people are most likely to click on, read and participate in threads where the subject line contains keywords of most interest to them
B) In a forum, people are most likely to click on, read and participate in threads where the subject line contains keywords of the least interest to them
C) In a forum, people are most likely to click, read and participate into random threads, ignoring the subject line
Additionally, please explain how comes that the bulk of this thread is about the APOidness of the lens, not the size, weight or some other parameter. Please pick a statement here too:
1) In a forum, people are most likely to debate the subjects of most interest to them
2) In a forum, people are most likely to debate the subjects of least interest to them
To the first set of options, I say D) none of the above. I have argued consistently here that people on this thread read and participated primarily because of Fred's excellent review (and the links to Phillip's excellent review) and that for the most part people here are quite sophisticated, knowledgeable, and care about the topic. If you want my professional opinion, I would add that theory and research on human behavior quite conclusively demonstrates that such people are not influenced peripheral cues such as keywords in the title of a thread but rather by good arguments as they carefully and thoughtfully process information about a topic.
To the second set of options, I would again say 3) none of the above. I would argue that the discussion about the APOidness of this lens has emerged as a big point of discussion because people like yourself have raised this issue without understanding the nature of APO and that led to a discussion of what APO actually is and what that means for this lens. I certainly never said the nature of APO is not of interest to people on this thread. It is of interest to people on this thread, but that does not mean that people on this thread do not recognize that APOidness is only one feature amongst many and for a lot of us not the primary reason for interest in the lens. If you looks at Fred's review and how he handled the APOidness of this lens not surprisingly as the thread begins with his review, I think a lot of us would weight APOidness exactly as Fred has done.
vdo1 wrote: Steve Spencer wrote: vdo111 wrote:
For reference, the non-APO CV 50/1.2 review thread closed after 31 pages. Looks like “f/1.2” is a lesser attraction than “APO”.
And that is a ridiculously simplistic analysis. How wide the aperture opens up and whether the lens is labelled as APO are not the only two differences between these lenses. Size, sharpness, bokeh, flatness of field, close up performance, coma, etc. all differ in these lenses as well. This statement does absolutely nothing to support your contention people here are swayed by APO rather than the other factors.
Interesting. So in your professional opinion, which of the following statements are best describing human behavior:
A) In a forum, people are most likely to click on, read and participate in threads where the subject line contains keywords of most interest to them
B) In a forum, people are most likely to click on, read and participate in threads where the subject line contains keywords of the least interest to them
C) In a forum, people are most likely to click, read and participate into random threads, ignoring the subject line
Additionally, please explain how comes that the bulk of this thread is about the APOidness of the lens, not the size, weight or some other parameter. Please pick a statement here too:
1) In a forum, people are most likely to debate the subjects of most interest to them
2) In a forum, people are most likely to debate the subjects of least interest to them
To the first set of options, I say D) none of the above. I have argued consistently here that people on this thread read and participated primarily because of Fred's excellent review (and the links to Phillip's excellent review) and that for the most part people here are quite sophisticated, knowledgeable, and care about the topic. If you want my professional opinion, I would add that theory and research on human behavior quite conclusively demonstrated that such people are not influenced peripheral cues such as keywords in the title of a thread but rather by good arguments as they carefully and thoughtfully process information about a topic.
To the second set of options, I would again say 3) none of the above. I would argue that the discussion about the APOidness of this lens has emerged as a big point of discussion because people like yourself have raised this issue without understanding the nature of APO and that led to a discussion of what APO actually is and what that means for this lens. I certainly never said the nature of APO is not of interest to people on this thread. It is of interest to people on this thread, but that does not mean that people on this thread do not recognize that APOidness is only one feature amongst many and for a lot of us not the primary reason for interest in the lens. If you looks at Fred's review and how he handled the APOidness of this lens not surprisingly as the thread begins with his review, I think a lot of us would weight APOidness exactly as Fred has done.
Jan 11, 2020 at 09:22 AM
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