T-O Shooter wrote: sjms wrote: Charles and SJMS think it's their forum to control what is said and what not is said. They are just two examples that seem to pop up more often in the few threads I've posted in - there's more like them. I'm sure FM would like some new members, the more the better, but look through this thread and see the agressive behaviour from long time members. Not very endearing.
I think you will find that I am probably one of the more subjectively objective ones here. I demand little but one of them is simple, you get my moniker correct. for most it is easy to refer to on the left hand side. it does not require any special characters or even to use the caps lock on your keyboard.
sjms
remember, you can talk about photography all you want but in the end that all falls away because its the image that is truly worth that thousand words. you may or may not understand this and in the end your real relevance will depend in it.
oh, one more little thing. none of us here thinks this is their forum.
You will find that has been my point. The only thing that matters is the image, and there's very little difference in capturing it with any gear in 2019. I've challenged people on DPR, including Lance personally, to put up an image taken with a Zee lens on a Z, and an f mount on a comparable DSLR (Z7 to D850 would work) and show me where the lens makes the difference. Referring to Lance, he said well he no longer had the f mount glass and whatever.
As an explanation why he's so anti T-O, he's been a little miffed with me ever since I pointed out on DPR that he is technically a very good photographer and very good at post processing but artistically not so much. I figured he knew that. I thought he would get over it, but I guess not.
. Miffed at your comment on my photographic ability? That goes way back well before your comment on what you think about my photographic ability. Anyway, I could care less what you think and it stands to reason that you *have to* make such a comment to try make me look bad and thus try to bolster your argument against me. Any admission of ability would undermine your arguments against me and my opinions. However, if I am so good at the technical side, then I should be good at discerning what lenses are better than others. Also, doing a back to back lens comparo is also fraught with danger and accusations of bias because by any who were a fan of one or the other, a no win situation. The fact of the matter is, every reputable reviewer has stated that the Z lenses are generally better to very much better than their F mount counterparts in basically all departments as far as IQ, resolution etc are concerned. It's interesting how everyone that has tried them agrees. The only ones putting up a fight are the DSLR/F mount die-hards because they don't want to ever admit that the Z mounts may actually be better. As for your assertion that "The only thing that matters is the image, and there's very little difference in capturing it with any gear in 2019". That may be for you, but not for everyone else, your standards for lens IQ are obviously very low.
I also think it is interesting that you stick with your anonymity, no real name, no photos. Nothing of substance, just arguments.
T-O Shooter wrote: sjms wrote: Charles and SJMS think it's their forum to control what is said and what not is said. They are just two examples that seem to pop up more often in the few threads I've posted in - there's more like them. I'm sure FM would like some new members, the more the better, but look through this thread and see the agressive behaviour from long time members. Not very endearing.
I think you will find that I am probably one of the more subjectively objective ones here. I demand little but one of them is simple, you get my moniker correct. for most it is easy to refer to on the left hand side. it does not require any special characters or even to use the caps lock on your keyboard.
sjms
remember, you can talk about photography all you want but in the end that all falls away because its the image that is truly worth that thousand words. you may or may not understand this and in the end your real relevance will depend in it.
oh, one more little thing. none of us here thinks this is their forum.
You will find that has been my point. The only thing that matters is the image, and there's very little difference in capturing it with any gear in 2019. I've challenged people on DPR, including Lance personally, to put up an image taken with a Zee lens on a Z, and an f mount on a comparable DSLR (Z7 to D850 would work) and show me where the lens makes the difference. Referring to Lance, he said well he no longer had the f mount glass and whatever.
As an explanation why he's so anti T-O, he's been a little miffed with me ever since I pointed out on DPR that he is technically a very good photographer and very good at post processing but artistically not so much. I figured he knew that. I thought he would get over it, but I guess not.
. Miffed at your comment on my photographic ability? That goes way back well before your comment. Anyway, I could care less what you think and it stands to reason that you *have to* make such a comment to try make me look bad and thus try to bolster your argument against me. Any admission of ability would undermine your arguments against me and my opinions. However, if I am so good at the technical side, then I should be good at discerning what lenses are better than others. Also, doing a back to back lens comparo is also fraught with danger and accusations of bias because by any who were a fan of one or the other, a no win situation. The fact of the matter is, every reputable reviewer has stated that the Z lenses are generally better to very much better than their F mount counterparts in basically all departments as far as IQ, resolution etc are concerned. It's interesting how everyone that has tried them agrees. The only ones putting up a fight are the DSLR/F mount die-hards because they don't want to ever admit that the Z mounts may actually be better. As for your assertion that "The only thing that matters is the image, and there's very little difference in capturing it with any gear in 2019". That may be for you, but not for everyone else, your standards for lens IQ are obviously very low.
I also think it is interesting that you stick with your anonymity, no real name, no photos. Nothing of substance, just arguments.
Dec 31, 2019 at 04:45 PM
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. Miffed at your comment on my photographic ability? That goes way back well before your comment on what you think about my photographic ability. Anyway, I could care less what you think and it stands to reason that you *have to* make such a comment to try make me look bad and thus try to bolster your argument against me. Any admission of ability would undermine your arguments against me and my opinions. However, if I am so good at the technical side, then I should be good at discerning what lenses are better than others. Also, doing a back to back lens comparo is also fraught with danger and accusations of bias because by any who were a fan of one or the other, a no win situation. The fact of the matter is, every reputable reviewer has stated that the Z lenses are generally better to very much better than their F mount counterparts in basically all departments as far as IQ, resolution etc are concerned. It's interesting how everyone that has tried them agrees. The only ones putting up a fight are the DSLR/F mount die-hards because they don't want to ever admit that the Z mounts may actually be better. As for your assertion that "The only thing that matters is the image, and there's very little difference in capturing it with any gear in 2019". That may be for you, but not for everyone else, your standards for lens IQ are obviously very low.