1bwana1 wrote: Jman13 wrote:
Kickstarter is not a store. Period. It's crowdfunding. While generally low risk on established companies, there's no guarantee you even GET a product when you invest in a Kickstarter. You likely won't be able to do a charge back, and frankly, I'm not even sure doing so is legal. And even if it is, it's not moral....you got the tripod. It functions how they said. It's just that you don't like it and didn't actually read what you agreed to when you backed the Kickstarter. You charge back, it's effectively theft.
I am not so sure it is as black and white as that these days.
Yes, conceptually in the beginning Kickstarter was a platform for people with an idea but not the funds. It could be used to raise money to build their idea into reality. The risks of failure is acknowledged by buyers, and the risk accepted.
In this case however, Kickstarter is being used by an existing, operating, well funded, business as a marketing tool to launch a new product.
So if the company can change the purpose and rules of the platform from raising angel type money to a sales and marketing tool, it may also be reasonable for a customer to expect the rules to change to ensure some level of customer satisfaction.
HMMMMMM....
Even if the company is established, a new product could still fail...particularly when you're taking such drastic risks in a product that usually has a pretty standard design. This is a way of test marketing a product before doing even a limited roll out, securing the financing to manufacture the first batch of products, and ensuring that at least the first batch of products will be profitable. In turn the "financier" gets a slight discount and gets priority in the shipment of a new release.
Most of peak designs bags started from a kickstarter campaign....but now that the concept has been proven out, they brought the MKII of all these bags out directly.
I personally don't think committing to a hyped up, but unproven, product is worth the risk so I never sign up for kickstarters.
But the terms of the agreement are stated plainly so if I did sign up for one and wasn't happy with the product, then I'd own the mistake on my part and wouldn't feel entitled to a refund.
OP just sell it in the used market. I'm sure there are people who want one and are willing to pay what you paid for it since it technically hasn't hit the market yet.
1bwana1 wrote: Jman13 wrote:
Kickstarter is not a store. Period. It's crowdfunding. While generally low risk on established companies, there's no guarantee you even GET a product when you invest in a Kickstarter. You likely won't be able to do a charge back, and frankly, I'm not even sure doing so is legal. And even if it is, it's not moral....you got the tripod. It functions how they said. It's just that you don't like it and didn't actually read what you agreed to when you backed the Kickstarter. You charge back, it's effectively theft.
I am not so sure it is as black and white as that these days.
Yes, conceptually in the beginning Kickstarter was a platform for people with an idea but not the funds. It could be used to raise money to build their idea into reality. The risks of failure is acknowledged by buyers, and the risk accepted.
In this case however, Kickstarter is being used by an existing, operating, well funded, business as a marketing tool to launch a new product.
So if the company can change the purpose and rules of the platform from raising angel type money to a sales and marketing tool, it may also be reasonable for a customer to expect the rules to change to ensure some level of customer satisfaction.
HMMMMMM....
Even if the company is established, a new product could still fail...particularly when you're taking such drastic risks in a product that usually has a pretty standard design. This is a way of test marketing a product before doing even a limited roll out, securing the financing to manufacture the first batch of products, and ensuring that at least the first batch of products will be profitable. In turn the "financier" gets a slight discount and gets priority in the shipment of a new release.
Most of peak designs bags started from a kickstarter campaign....but now that the concept has been proven out, they brought the MKII of all these bags out directly.
I personally don't think committing to a hyped up, but unproven, product is worth the risk so I never sign up for kickstarters.
But the terms of the agreement are stated plainly so if I did sign up for one and wasn't happy with the product, then I'd own the mistake on my part.
OP just sell it in the used market. I'm sure there are people who want one and are willing to pay what you paid for it since it technically hasn't hit the market yet.
1bwana1 wrote: Jman13 wrote:
Kickstarter is not a store. Period. It's crowdfunding. While generally low risk on established companies, there's no guarantee you even GET a product when you invest in a Kickstarter. You likely won't be able to do a charge back, and frankly, I'm not even sure doing so is legal. And even if it is, it's not moral....you got the tripod. It functions how they said. It's just that you don't like it and didn't actually read what you agreed to when you backed the Kickstarter. You charge back, it's effectively theft.
I am not so sure it is as black and white as that these days.
Yes, conceptually in the beginning Kickstarter was a platform for people with an idea but not the funds. It could be used to raise money to build their idea into reality. The risks of failure is acknowledged by buyers, and the risk accepted.
In this case however, Kickstarter is being used by an existing, operating, well funded, business as a marketing tool to launch a new product.
So if the company can change the purpose and rules of the platform from raising angel type money to a sales and marketing tool, it may also be reasonable for a customer to expect the rules to change to ensure some level of customer satisfaction.
HMMMMMM....
Even if the company is established, a new product could still fail...particularly when you're taking such drastic risks in a product that usually has a pretty standard design. This is a way of test marketing a product before doing even a limited roll out, securing the financing to manufacture the first batch of products, and ensuring that at least the first batch of products will be profitable. In turn the "financier" gets a slight discount and gets priority in the shipment of a new release.
Most of peak designs bags started from a kickstarter campaign....but now that the concept has been proven out, they brought the MKII of all these bags out directly.
I personally don't think committing to a hyped up, but unproven, product is worth the risk so I never sign up for kickstarters.
But the terms of the agreement are stated plainly so if I did sign up for one and wasn't happy with the product, then I'd own the mistake on my part.
