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 Re: Leica SL2 vs A7Riii & IV | |
GiuseppeL wrote:
Holger wrote:
GiuseppeL wrote:
snapsy wrote:
GiuseppeL wrote:
snapsy wrote:
Charlie N wrote:
I believe it’s the first mirrorless camera to do FF 4K60, so basically A7s3....
The AF sounds horrible based off of DP review YT.
IP54 rating is good, glad they are serious about weather sealing, using magnets for scroll wheel seems awesome to keep things sealed.
Interesting camera.
The SL2 shares the internals with the Panasonic S1R, which can also do 60fps 4K (cropped). The S1R is half the price of the SL2, at least when it was recently on sale for $3k.
The SL2 shares some technology with the S1R - the excellent IBIS, the EVF (from Sony), the DFD technology, the USB power supply, the EVF optics (from Leica), the mount (from Leica), etc.). The SL2 offers 20 fps while the S1R offers only 9 fps. Do you really think this is possible if they share the same CPU and buffers ? Probably the sensor is related as it has the same resolution, but is maybe a newer version (double the frame rate ?!) ... And it has a thinner protection layer (good for vintage lenses, like M, R etc.)
The magnets were already implemented in the SL, but then nobody was interested in this detail.
The AF was at the time of the dpr review a preproduction software (and dpr successfully forgot to mention that). It is now at level 1.0 and much better. See e.g. the video from Robin Sinha (a tutorial) I expect further improvement with each new firmware release.
What remains is that the SL2 is as fast (20 fps) as the a9 II, but at double the resolution. Or twice as fast as the a7 IV (at almost the same resolution 47 Mp vs 61 Mp). And with a much faster Maestro III processor (visible in the video specs).
And the short battery life is no problem as external USB power packs (Anker and others) can be used to run the camera off them. (for days in a row if you need to).
The S1R could likely do 20 FPS but there's not much point in it - it's only with AF locked and more importantly, only with the electronic shutter which makes it unsuitable for many of the scenarios it would be used for - action shots (unsuitable due to the rolling shutter on its slow sensor readout).
Yes, exactly like the A9. If you try to use the camera as it is and make the best out of it, you will soon realize that these discussions are simply ridiculous and do not mirror reality. If you insist that a camera cannot do this and that, you will never find a way around the small obstacles. Sorry, but this is silly. (And no, the S1R is simply not that fast (CPU) and has a smaller buffer, it also does not have the same video specs.) If you insist on details, then please look into all the details and do not close your eyes to the details you do not like.
And the rolling shutter on the SL2 is actually quite good (compared to the other cameras with the "same" sensor).
If my Beetle could run 250 km/h (160 mph ?) then it was a Porsche ....
? No, not like the A9. Snapsy is right here, no comparison as AF is locked, ES has too slow a readout to avoid banding or other problems. Makes a big difference in _reality_.
I am not sure who lost sense of reality here, to be honest.
At least it is now clear that you have never actually used the SL2. (honesty ?) You just show your incompetence by these statements. Go to a shop and try it out instead of inventing problems that you know from Sony like banding. (which are unknown on the SL2).
Really cheeky to invent data, despite never using the camera.... But quite silly.
Obviously you are not well versed in some technical details. I use the A9 professionally. It is the only camera right now I can use in almost all situations with electronic shutter due to the fast readout of the sensor. Doing so with a camera with slower readout will lead to banding regularly. I just need to use our A7r3 in E-shutter mode in older churches to see that immediately.
This has nothing to do with you preferring a camera like the SL2 due to personal preference. But these mentioned technological constraints limit the shooting envelope of the SL2.
Same with AF. With fast primes 20fps doesn't make sense for me if AF is frozen for constantly moving subjects. You might not care, I do and my experience tells me that images are often too severely out of focus or I get too many unnecessary images filling up the card space (the SL2 is not the only one behaving like this. The Canon 1d ii had 16fps in LV mode with locked focus and exposure. ).
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