white wrote:
"So the R itself didn't concretely affect your "decision," as you mind was made up in advance. I got a rather different impression from your post.
As to your notion that I might be in denial, I'm not interested in Brand Wars games, I use more than one brand of camera equipment, and I think that Sony, Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Fujifilm, et all make fine equipment."
I am not sure you really read my post or understand my point of view so I will try one more time.
I was very heavily invested in Canon and very much wanted a product that would step up to the plate to give me the AF and sensor abilities others have been enjoying for a while now. I have been embracing the advantages of mirrorless with an extensive Olympus system that I also use, (more specifically for travel due to it's size and form factor). I was happy with the DSLR form factor overall on my Canon system but felt left behind in sensor and AF performance. If Canon had a "D850" I would be happy to stay parked for a while and give them time to refine the R.
But they don't have anything that really compares to the image quality and performance of a D850 or A7R3 etc. And the launch of the R gave me the strong feeling that even after all this time Canon was continuing to be completely tone deaf with a rewarmed old sensor, missing features such as IBIS, and an AF system that a good sampling of regarded reviews indicate is not cutting edge. At this point, how the camera would actually feel in my hands becomes irrelevant if it's core abilities are gutted.
So I did want it until the details became clear.
Canon make some great lenses and I am sure that they will have more wonderful introductions. But they are not the only ones making good lenses either.
They will likely have better R versions in the future, but I have this strong feeling they will lag significantly in sensors for a protracted length of time. Life is too short and I want better sensor quality now, I have been patient for too long. For my shooting, this is a real barrier I encounter a lot in my landscape work and not just some numbers in a review.
And having one other system, (Olympus for size), is enough for me. I do not want to be fractionated in my equipment more than that. It is hard enough moving between the ergonomics of two systems.
So I was a strong supporter of Canon but Canon did not support me. I have overcome my own denial of Canon's short comings in critical areas. That is all I have to say.
white wrote:
"So the R itself didn't concretely affect your "decision," as you mind was made up in advance. I got a rather different impression from your post.
As to your notion that I might be in denial, I'm not interested in Brand Wars games, I use more than one brand of camera equipment, and I think that Sony, Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Fujifilm, et all make fine equipment."
I am not sure you really read my post or understand my point of view so I will try one more time.
I was very heavily invested in Canon and very much wanted a product that would step up to the plate to give me the AF and sensor abilities others have been enjoying for a while now. I have been embracing the advantages of mirrorless with an extensive Olympus system that I also use, (more specifically for travel due to it's size and form factor). I was happy with the DSLR form factor overall on my Canon system but felt left behind in sensor and AF performance. If Canon had a "D850" I would be happy to stay parked for a while and give them time to refine the R.
But they don't have anything that really compares to the image quality and performance of a D850 or A7R3 etc. And the launch of the R gave me the strong feeling that even after all this time Canon was continuing to be completely tone deaf with a rewarmed old sensor, missing features such as IBIS, and an AF system that a good sampling of regarded reviews indicate is not cutting edge. At this point, how the camera would actually feel in my hands becomes irrelevant if it's core abilities are gutted.
So I did want it until the details became clear.
Canon make some great lenses and I am sure that they will have more wonderful introductions. But they are not the only ones making good lenses either.
They will likely have better R versions in the future, but I have this strong feeling they will lag significantly in sensors for a protracted length of time. Life is too short and I want better sensor quality now, I have been patient for too long. For my shooting, this is a real barrier I encounter a lot in my landscape work and not just some numbers in a review.
And having one other system, (Olympus for size), is enough for me. I do not want to be fractionated in my equipment more than that. It is hard enough moving between the ergonomics of two systems.
So I was a strong supporter of Canon but Canon did not support me. I have overcome my own denial of Canon's short comings in critical areas. That is all I have to say.
white wrote:
"So the R itself didn't concretely affect your "decision," as you mind was made up in advance. I got a rather different impression from your post.
As to your notion that I might be in denial, I'm not interested in Brand Wars games, I use more than one brand of camera equipment, and I think that Sony, Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Fujifilm, et all make fine equipment."
I am not sure you really read my post or understand my point of view so I will try one more time.
I was very heavily invested in Canon and very much wanted a product that would step up to the plate to give me the AF and sensor abilities others have been enjoying for a while now. I have been embracing the advantages of mirrorless with an extensive Olympus system that I also use, (more specifically for travel due to it's size and form factor). I was happy with the DSLR form factor overall on my Canon system but felt left behind in sensor and AF performance. If Canon had a "D850" I would be happy to stay parked for a while and give them time to refine the R.
But they don't have anything that really compares to the image quality and performance of a D850 or A7R3 etc. And the launch of the R gave me the strong feeling that even after all this time Canon was continuing to be completely tone deaf with a rewarmed old sensor, missing features such as IBIS, and an AF system that a good sampling of regarded reviews indicate is not cutting edge. At this point, how the camera would actually feel in my hands becomes irrelevant if it's core abilities are gutted.
So I did want it until the details became clear.
Canon make some great lenses and I am sure that they will have more wonderful introductions. But they are not the only ones making good lenses either.
They will likely have better R versions in the future, but I have this strong feeling they will lag significantly in sensors for a protracted length of time. Life is too short and I want better sensor quality now, I have been patient for too long. For my shooting, this is a real barrier I encounter a lot in my landscape work and not just some numbers in a review.
And having one other system, (Olympus for size), is enough for me. I do not want to be fractionated in my equipment more than that. It is hard enough moving between the ergonomics of two systems.
So I was a strong supporter of Canon but Canon did not support me. I have overcome my own denial of Canon's short comings in critical areas. That is all I have to say.
Oct 28, 2018 at 12:31 PM
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