Re: 24-105mm FOCUS SHIFT survey - submit serial numbers
MikeEvangelist wrote: Messier77 wrote:
I’m not sure I see a coordinated smear campaign here. We’re all enthusiasts and professionals who spend a lot of money on Sony equipment and want to see Sony’s system succeed.
I didn't mean to suggest that. I was responding to the idea that Sony's quality can't be trusted, which I think is largely an internet perpetuated myth. In this particular case, it's clear that there is something wrong, but I don't take it as an indictment of the whole company and their products.
I've personally been a slight bit disappointed with Sony's overall QC, but I chock that up to a few factors:
1. Going from 24mpx to 42mpx really exposes any decentering or other issues/imperfections that would probably not even be noticed otherwise.
2. Going from 1080p screens to 5k screens likewise exposes issues/imperfections. This also allows a greater proportion of buyers to easily be intensive "pixel peepers,"
3. Sony started a new system/mount from scratch, and there are difficulties and growing pains to be expected, especially as Sony did not have a long history of and extensive experience with manufacturing lenses (at least certainly not compared to Canon and Nikon).
4. They appear to be pushing some of the tolerance limits of optical design/manufacture (which is welcomed, but also comes with drawbacks).
5. Sony tends to charge more for lenses than Canon/Nikon, which makes people look at each lens as more of a very significant investment and test each lens more intensively. I'm sure their corporate and marketing department understand that by charging more/high prices, they will invite scrutiny and higher expectations. That's a basic reality of branding, pricing, consumers and market goods.
6. Some people are just unlucky and get multiple subpar copies or (and I hate to say it as I can be guilty of this) have unrealistic expectations for a lens and forget to look back at older lenses (even from the 90's and early 2000's) and realize that they were far from perfect. We also all forget how good a job the combination of 12mpx and a sub-1080p screen did for covering up any imperfections/issues.
Again, all that being said, they've done an impressive job and designed/manufactured some really amazing and sharp lenses. This system has been a revelation for me and made me become much more involved in photography. It's also given me a bad case of GAS unlike Nikon or Canon were ever able to do.
Re: 24-105mm FOCUS SHIFT survey - submit serial numbers
MikeEvangelist wrote: Messier77 wrote:
I’m not sure I see a coordinated smear campaign here. We’re all enthusiasts and professionals who spend a lot of money on Sony equipment and want to see Sony’s system succeed.
I didn't mean to suggest that. I was responding to the idea that Sony's quality can't be trusted, which I think is largely an internet perpetuated myth. In this particular case, it's clear that there is something wrong, but I don't take it as an indictment of the whole company and their products.
I've personally been a slight bit disappointed with Sony's overall QC, but I chock that up to a few factors:
1. Going from 24mpx to 42mpx really exposes any decentering or other issues/imperfections that would probably not even be noticed otherwise.
2. Going from 1080p screens to 5k screens likewise exposes issues/imperfections. This also allows a greater proportion of buyers to easily be intensive "pixel peepers,"
3. Sony started a new system/mount from scratch, and there are difficulties and growing pains to be expected, especially as Sony did not have a long history of and extensive experience with manufacturing lenses (at least certainly not compared to Canon and Nikon).
4. They appear to be pushing some of the tolerance limits of optical design/manufacture (which is welcomed, but also comes with drawbacks).
5. Sony tends to charge more for lenses than Canon/Nikon, which makes people look at each lens as more of a very significant investment and test each lens more intensively. I'm sure their corporate and marketing department understand that by charging more/high prices, they will invite scrutiny and higher expectations. That's a basic reality of branding, pricing, consumers and market goods.
6. Some people are just unlucky and get multiple subpar copies or (and I hate to say it as I can be guilty of this) have unrealistic expectations for a lens.
Again, all that being said, they've done an impressive job and designed/manufactured some really amazing and sharp lenses. This system has been a revelation for me and made me become much more involved in photography. It's also given me a bad case of GAS unlike Nikon or Canon were ever able to do.
Feb 06, 2018 at 10:33 AM
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