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twoflower wrote:
Wow, that is some photo, Mark!
The action in the water, the composition, everything is awesome.
If I were you, I'd adjust a bit of the black point, though, as the tones are a little towards the grungy side.



Thank you so very much for your feedback. I'm very glad you like it!

Now, COLOR MANAGEMENT for web... a major pain in the yang!!!

I am on a 27inch Mac Thunderbolt calibrated to 2.2 gamma, 6500 White Point and 125CD - a loose industry standard of sorts (Luminance/Brightness) using the iOne Display Pro (GREAT calibrator). I am in a semi-diffused room and it looks spot on to me. It also looks great and nearly spot on, on my non- calibrated (on purpose) Macbook Pro set to about the same 125CD brightness (three bumps down from brightest, using the button) which is a loose industry standard for brightness. Also, on my iPhone at a bright setting it looks good there too. So, "grungy" I am not totally sure what you mean... Probably your preferred black point for contrast. I do know for a fact that when you calibrate accurately, it will generally set your black point a little darker on your accurate monitor (which other people may not have). So, this can mean that on my non calibrated Macbook (and some other non calibrated monitors) the black is represented a tad less dark (slightly lower in contrast).

I also have a Dell Ultrasharp next to me, also carefully calibrated to the exact same specs, and on it, it looks even a little more punchy there (opposite of grunge - or lacking black contrast...). So, all this, plus the fact I have been studying and teaching color management for a living (part of it) for over 10 years... I have to come to this conclusion:

For WEB, all we can really do is get our setups as good/accurate as we can, and let the chips fly when we send our images out into the web world. Color Management Guru Bruce Fraser once said it this way: "by calibrating, we are shooting for the middle of a very wide barn door." Different devices view things differently, including different browsers, and different room environments... If I punch up the blacks, for some devices (including my own) they will get too black. For some not...

I remember a huge debate on color management years ago on one of my threads and I even had two totally opposing feedbacks in the comments sections right next to each other (in fact this has happened many times!). One person said something like: "the image is too bright and washed out." Then the very next comment by someone else was "the image is too dark..." I remember almost laughing and thinking to myself, if we are not all of the same color management page (device and calibration or lack thereof), how in the world are we supposed to be able to give very careful, fine-tuned, constructive feedback to each other?

So, I will end by thanking you very sincerely for the feedback, but I also have to take it with a grain of salt too because it looks spot on, on my devices (which it can't and won't on all others).

Now COLOR MANAGEMENT FOR PRINT... that is an entirely different story. We CAN control those factors to near precision.




Dec 23, 2017 at 09:39 AM
Mark Metternich
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Farewell at Rialto


twoflower wrote:
Wow, that is some photo, Mark!
The action in the water, the composition, everything is awesome.
If I were you, I'd adjust a bit of the black point, though, as the tones are a little towards the grungy side.



Thank you so very much for your feedback. I'm very glad you like it!

Now, COLOR MANAGEMENT for web... a major pain in the yang!!!

I am on a 27inch Mac Thunderbolt calibrated to 2.2 gamma, 6500 White Point and 125CD - a loose industry standard of sorts (Luminance/Brightness) using the iOne Display Pro (GREAT calibrator). I am in a semi-diffused room and it looks spot on to me. It also looks great and nearly spot on, on my non- calibrated (on purpose) Macbook Pro set to about the same 125CD brightness (three bumps down from brightest, using the button) which is a loose industry standard for brightness Also, on my iPhone at a bright setting it looks good there too. So, "grungy" I am not totally sure what you mean... Probably your preferred black point for contrast. I do know for a fact that when you calibrate accurately, it will generally set your black point a little darker on your accurate monitor (which others people may not have). So, this can mean that on my non calibrated Macbook (and some other non calibrated monitors) the black is represented a tad less dark (slightly lower in contrast).

I also have a Dell Ultrasharp next to me, also carefully calibrated to the exact same specs, and on it, it looks even a little more punchy there (opposite of grunge - or lacking black contrast...). So, all this, plus the fact I have been studying and teaching color management for a living (part of it) for over 10 years... I have to come to this conclusion:

For WEB, all we can really do is get our setups as good/accurate as we can, and let the chips fly when we send our images out into the web world. Color Management Guru Bruce Fraser once said it this way: "by calibrating, we are shooting for the middle of a very wide barn door." Different devices view things differently, including different browsers, and different room environments... If I punch up the blacks, for some devices (including my own) they will get too black. For some not...

I remember a huge debate on color management years ago on one of my threads and I even had two totally opposing feedbacks in the comments sections right next to each other (in fact this has happened many times!). One person said something like: "the image is too bright and washed out." Then the very next comment by someone else was "the image is too dark..." I remember almost laughing and thinking to myself, if we are not all of the same color management page (device and calibration or lack thereof), how in the world are we supposed to be able to give very careful, fine-tuned, constructive feedback to each other?

So, I will end by thanking you very sincerely for the feedback, but I also have to take it with a grain of salt too because it looks spot on, on my devices (which it can't and won't on all others).

Now COLOR MANAGEMENT FOR PRINT... that is an entirely different story. We CAN control those factors to near precision.




Dec 22, 2017 at 02:36 PM





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