Re: Sony announces A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens today!
Matt Grum wrote: drewmey wrote:
Wants more resolution but hates to use a tripod....
You do realize that in order to really find that additional resolution noticeable, you are going to either use a tripod or start shooting at a loooot faster shutter speeds when hand held? In other words either increasing your ISO or only shooting in really bright conditions. You really should be shooting on a tripod anyway if you are trying to actually utilize MP that are in that realm.
Not really. I've just come back from a trip where I intentionally left the tripod at home. I shot some images at 1/10s at 55mm without noticeable camera shake. It's just a matter of good technique and IBIS. I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to keep to the 1/fl rule with a higher resolution (say 60-80MP) sensor when combined with a 5 stop IBIS system. You might get some artifacts with wide lenses from the IBIS, but then the shutter speed requirements are even lower.
1/fl takes you well beyond "really bright conditions" only for landscape usage.
I will wholeheartedly admit that I have yet to use in person Sony's IBIS. I do however, find it extremely difficult to believe that any image stabilization system is capable of reducing camera shake at a per pixel level on any FF camera with MP of this level. And per pixel sharpness is what we are talking about when maximizing resolution. Not acceptable perceived sharpness.
You may be finding your hand held images acceptably sharp at 1/FL. I guess I am saying that a hand held a7rii with IBIS with 1/FL may very likely have no actual resolution advantage over say an a7r on a tripod. Both may be acceptably sharp, but I am saying you may not be acquiring the advantage of those extra MP without proper stabilization. The same would apply to the original commentators wishing for more resolution in the a7rii...without proper stabilization, it is very likely that the imaginary a7riii (with say 60MP) could have no additional resolution advantage when compared to a a7rii (or this real a7riii) on a tripod. This pretty much falls in line with what Canon shooters said when the 5DSR came out, the only difference being IBIS vs Canon lens IS.
All these things aside, this camera sounds great to me. Sounds like it finally fixes many of the things that originally kept me away from Sony (dual slots and battery life mainly). Always personal, but I'd take the mentioned improvements over more MP.
Re: Sony announces A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens today!
Matt Grum wrote: drewmey wrote:
Wants more resolution but hates to use a tripod....
You do realize that in order to really find that additional resolution noticeable, you are going to either use a tripod or start shooting at a loooot faster shutter speeds when hand held? In other words either increasing your ISO or only shooting in really bright conditions. You really should be shooting on a tripod anyway if you are trying to actually utilize MP that are in that realm.
Not really. I've just come back from a trip where I intentionally left the tripod at home. I shot some images at 1/10s at 55mm without noticeable camera shake. It's just a matter of good technique and IBIS. I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to keep to the 1/fl rule with a higher resolution (say 60-80MP) sensor when combined with a 5 stop IBIS system. You might get some artifacts with wide lenses from the IBIS, but then the shutter speed requirements are even lower.
1/fl takes you well beyond "really bright conditions" only for landscape usage.
I will wholeheartedly admit that I have yet to use in person Sony's IBIS. I do however, find it extremely difficult to believe that any image stabilization system is capable of reducing camera shake at a per pixel level on any FF camera with MP of this level.
You may be finding your hand held images acceptably sharp at 1/FL. I guess I am saying that a hand held a7rii with IBIS with 1/FL may very likely have no actual resolution advantage over say an a7r on a tripod. Both may be acceptably sharp, but I am saying you may not be acquiring the advantage of those extra MP without proper stabilization. The same would apply to the original commentators wishing for more resolution in the a7rii...without proper stabilization, it is very likely that the imaginary a7riii (with say 60MP) could have no additional resolution advantage when compared to a a7rii (or this real a7riii) on a tripod. This pretty much falls in line with what Canon shooters said when the 5DSR came out, the only difference being IBIS vs Canon lens IS.
All these things aside, this camera sounds great to me. Sounds like it finally fixes many of the things that originally kept me away from Sony (dual slots and battery life mainly). Always personal, but I'd take the mentioned improvements over more MP.
Re: Sony announces A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens today!
Matt Grum wrote: drewmey wrote:
Wants more resolution but hates to use a tripod....
You do realize that in order to really find that additional resolution noticeable, you are going to either use a tripod or start shooting at a loooot faster shutter speeds when hand held? In other words either increasing your ISO or only shooting in really bright conditions. You really should be shooting on a tripod anyway if you are trying to actually utilize MP that are in that realm.
Not really. I've just come back from a trip where I intentionally left the tripod at home. I shot some images at 1/10s at 55mm without noticeable camera shake. It's just a matter of good technique and IBIS. I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to keep to the 1/fl rule with a higher resolution (say 60-80MP) sensor when combined with a 5 stop IBIS system. You might get some artifacts with wide lenses from the IBIS, but then the shutter speed requirements are even lower.
1/fl takes you well beyond "really bright conditions" only for landscape usage.
I will wholeheartedly admit that I have yet to use in person Sony's IBIS. I do however, find it extremely difficult to believe that any image stabilization system is capable of reducing camera shake at a per pixel level on any FF camera with MP of this level.
You may be finding your hand held images acceptably sharp at 1/FL. I guess I am saying that a hand held a7rii with IBIS with 1/FL may very likely have no actual resolution advantage over say an a7r on a tripod. Both may be acceptably sharp, but I am saying you may not be acquiring the advantage of those extra MP without proper stabilization. The same would apply to the original commentators wishing for more resolution in the a7rii...without proper stabilization, it is very likely that the imaginary a7riii (with say 60MP) could have no additional resolution advantage when compared to a a7rii (or this real a7riii) on a tripod. This pretty much falls in line with what Canon shooters said when the 5DSR came out, the only difference being IBIS vs Canon lens IS.
All these things aside, this camera sounds great to me. Sounds like it finally fixes many of the things that originally kept me away from Sony (dual slots and battery life mainly). Always personal, but I'd take the mentioned improvements over more MP.
Oct 25, 2017 at 11:05 AM
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