kwbarnes wrote: unclechuck wrote: (deleted)Since the hook of MA2A has sunk in past the barb it was time to go back to page 1 and pick up a little cultural and image history.(deleted)
Charles
Charles,
To really see how Mustang Air to Air evolved from a simple photo post, to what it has become, you have to start at the beginning. Not the beginning of this sequel thread, but the beginning of the original Mustang Air to Air thread, started in October 2006.
Unfortunately quite a few of the images (especially at the beginning) are no longer there, but the comments are. The original Mustang thread is where the "culture" of MA2A developed. Everything on this sequel thread is a result of the unexpected morphing of a photo post into a community.
Thank you for your post, and link which I will explore.
Over the past 7+ years I'd peek in from time to time to savor the images and bits of interaction here. Great stuff but as you said, it's the community that gradually has pulled me in.
"Unexpected" is precisely accurate!
Charles
ps
Started on your "Original Mustang" link. A key to the chemistry here would have to include this 2006 tutorial: a blend of the practical and important seasoned with a touch of Texas Bon Homme:
Hi Tim,
When you do get a chance to shoot air to air, choose your platform, pilot and subject carefully. I can't tell you the number of times I've been told, "my buddy rents this 172 and he can fly you to take the pictures", or "we don't need a trained formation pilot and a safety pilot, all I want are a couple of good shots". There's a million ways to be suckered into a dangerous situation by the lure of a great air to air image. I've done hundreds of air to air shoots and if they aren't done right, they're risky business. You lessen the risks considerably by knowing your crew, knowing that your subject pilot/aircraft are formation proficient, and that everyone understands the objectives and how you plan to get there. It is just flat amazing how quickly two aircraft can get together (in a bad way) if anyone loses their focus. Most of the editorial stuff I shoot, the aircraft I'm shooting is being flown by the same gentleman. He's an F-15 instructor instructor and has been there many times over and has all the t-shirts. We know each other so well in the air that we could almost do the routine without a transmission, but we know the risks, so nobody moves without announcing intentions and getting confirmation. The discipline keeps you safe, and if you think it's not hard for each person to burn a hole in their task, ask my pilot how bad he wanted to look over at that Mustang tucked up underneath our wing.
Hope you get to do it, it's a thrill each and every time. One time will give you a tremendous respect for the process, cause you're shooting something that's moving, from something that's moving, and you're both suspended in air that's moving. Sometimes even your breakfast is wanting to move!
kwbarnes wrote: unclechuck wrote: (deleted)Since the hook of MA2A has sunk in past the barb it was time to go back to page 1 and pick up a little cultural and image history.(deleted)
Charles
Charles,
To really see how Mustang Air to Air evolved from a simple photo post, to what it has become, you have to start at the beginning. Not the beginning of this sequel thread, but the beginning of the original Mustang Air to Air thread, started in October 2006.
Unfortunately quite a few of the images (especially at the beginning) are no longer there, but the comments are. The original Mustang thread is where the "culture" of MA2A developed. Everything on this sequel thread is a result of the unexpected morphing of a photo post into a community.
Thank you for your post, and link which I will explore.
Over the past 7+ years I'd peek in from time to time to savor the images and bits of interaction here. Great stuff but as you said, it's the community that gradually has pulled me in.
"Unexpected" is precisely accurate!
Charles
ps
Started on your "Original Mustang" link. A key to the chemistry here would have to include this 2006 tutorial: a blend of the practical and important seasoned with a touch of Texas Bon Homme:
Hi Tim, When you do get a chance to shoot air to air, choose your platform, pilot and subject carefully. I can't tell you the number of times I've been told, "my buddy rents this 172 and he can fly you to take the pictures", or "we don't need a trained formation pilot and a safety pilot, all I want are a couple of good shots". There's a million ways to be suckered into a dangerous situation by the lure of a great air to air image. I've done hundreds of air to air shoots and if they aren't done right, they're risky business. You lessen the risks considerably by knowing your crew, knowing that your subject pilot/aircraft are formation proficient, and that everyone understands the objectives and how you plan to get there. It is just flat amazing how quickly two aircraft can get together (in a bad way) if anyone loses their focus. Most of the editorial stuff I shoot, the aircraft I'm shooting is being flown by the same gentleman. He's an F-15 instructor instructor and has been there many times over and has all the t-shirts. We know each other so well in the air that we could almost do the routine without a transmission, but we know the risks, so nobody moves without announcing intentions and getting confirmation. The discipline keeps you safe, and if you think it's not hard for each person to burn a hole in their task, ask my pilot how bad he wanted to look over at that Mustang tucked up underneath our wing.
Hope you get to do it, it's a thrill each and every time. One time will give you a tremendous respect for the process, cause you're shooting something that's moving, from something that's moving, and you're both suspended in air that's moving. Sometimes even your breakfast is wanting to move!
kwbarnes wrote: unclechuck wrote: (deleted)Since the hook of MA2A has sunk in past the barb it was time to go back to page 1 and pick up a little cultural and image history.(deleted)
Charles
Charles,
To really see how Mustang Air to Air evolved from a simple photo post, to what it has become, you have to start at the beginning. Not the beginning of this sequel thread, but the beginning of the original Mustang Air to Air thread, started in October 2006.
Unfortunately quite a few of the images (especially at the beginning) are no longer there, but the comments are. The original Mustang thread is where the "culture" of MA2A developed. Everything on this sequel thread is a result of the unexpected morphing of a photo post into a community.
Thank you for your post, and link which I will explore.
Over the past 7+ years I'd peek in from time to time to savor the images and bits of interaction here. Great stuff but as you said, it's the community that gradually has pulled me in.
"Unexpected" is precisely accurate!
Charles
ps
Started on your "Original Mustang" link. A key to the chemistry here would have to include this 2006 tutorial: a blend of the practical and important seasoned with a touch of Texas Bon Homme:
Hi Tim,
When you do get a chance to shoot air to air, choose your platform, pilot and subject carefully. I can't tell you the number of times I've been told, "my buddy rents this 172 and he can fly you to take the pictures", or "we don't need a trained formation pilot and a safety pilot, all I want are a couple of good shots". There's a million ways to be suckered into a dangerous situation by the lure of a great air to air image. I've done hundreds of air to air shoots and if they aren't done right, they're risky business. You lessen the risks considerably by knowing your crew, knowing that your subject pilot/aircraft are formation proficient, and that everyone understands the objectives and how you plan to get there. It is just flat amazing how quickly two aircraft can get together (in a bad way) if anyone loses their focus. Most of the editorial stuff I shoot, the aircraft I'm shooting is being flown by the same gentleman. He's an F-15 instructor instructor and has been there many times over and has all the t-shirts. We know each other so well in the air that we could almost do the routine without a transmission, but we know the risks, so nobody moves without announcing intentions and getting confirmation. The discipline keeps you safe, and if you think it's not hard for each person to burn a hole in their task, ask my pilot how bad he wanted to look over at that Mustang tucked up underneath our wing.
Hope you get to do it, it's a thrill each and every time. One time will give you a tremendous respect for the process, cause you're shooting something that's moving, from something that's moving, and you're both suspended in air that's moving. Sometimes even your breakfast is wanting to move!
kwbarnes wrote: unclechuck wrote: (deleted)Since the hook of MA2A has sunk in past the barb it was time to go back to page 1 and pick up a little cultural and image history.(deleted)
Charles
Charles,
To really see how Mustang Air to Air evolved from a simple photo post, to what it has become, you have to start at the beginning. Not the beginning of this sequel thread, but the beginning of the original Mustang Air to Air thread, started in October 2006.
Unfortunately quite a few of the images (especially at the beginning) are no longer there, but the comments are. The original Mustang thread is where the "culture" of MA2A developed. Everything on this sequel thread is a result of the unexpected morphing of a photo post into a community.
Thank you for your post, and link which I will explore.
Over the past 7+ years I'd peek in from time to time to savor the images and bits of interaction here. Great stuff but as you said, it's the community that gradually has pulled me in.
"Unexpected" is precisely accurate!
Charles
ps
Started on your "Original Mustang" link. A key to the chemistry here would have to include this 2006 tutorial: a blend of the practical and important seasoned with a touch of Texas Bon Homme:
Hi Tim,
When you do get a chance to shoot air to air, choose your platform, pilot and subject carefully. I can't tell you the number of times I've been told, "my buddy rents this 172 and he can fly you to take the pictures", or "we don't need a trained formation pilot and a safety pilot, all I want are a couple of good shots". There's a million ways to be suckered into a dangerous situation by the lure of a great air to air image. I've done hundreds of air to air shoots and if they aren't done right, they're risky business. You lessen the risks considerably by knowing your crew, knowing that your subject pilot/aircraft are formation proficient, and that everyone understands the objectives and how you plan to get there. It is just flat amazing how quickly two aircraft can get together (in a bad way) if anyone loses their focus. Most of the editorial stuff I shoot, the aircraft I'm shooting is being flown by the same gentleman. He's an F-15 instructor instructor and has been there many times over and has all the t-shirts. We know each other so well in the air that we could almost do the routine without a transmission, but we know the risks, so nobody moves without announcing intentions and getting confirmation. The discipline keeps you safe, and if you think it's not hard for each person to burn a hole in their task, ask my pilot how bad he wanted to look over at that Mustang tucked up underneath our wing.
Hope you get to do it, it's a thrill each and every time. One time will give you a tremendous respect for the process, cause you're shooting something that's moving, from something that's moving, and you're both suspended in air that's moving. Sometimes even your breakfast is wanting to move!
kwbarnes wrote: unclechuck wrote: (deleted)Since the hook of MA2A has sunk in past the barb it was time to go back to page 1 and pick up a little cultural and image history.(deleted)
Charles
Charles,
To really see how Mustang Air to Air evolved from a simple photo post, to what it has become, you have to start at the beginning. Not the beginning of this sequel thread, but the beginning of the original Mustang Air to Air thread, started in October 2006.
Unfortunately quite a few of the images (especially at the beginning) are no longer there, but the comments are. The original Mustang thread is where the "culture" of MA2A developed. Everything on this sequel thread is a result of the unexpected morphing of a photo post into a community.
Thank you for your post, and link which I will explore.
Over the past 7+ years I'd peek in from time to time to savor the images and bits of interaction here. Great stuff but as you said, it's the community that gradually has pulled me in.
"Unexpected" is precisely accurate!
Charles
Jul 22, 2017 at 10:41 AM
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