Re: Pre-order: Zeiss Batis 135mm f/2.8 APO ($1,999)
Luvwine wrote:
I found some bokeh examples I did not love here:
It's possible to find bad bokeh samples from any lens. The image content has a large influence on the look of the Bokeh - here's an image from the 135L with bad bokeh due to the presence of thin tree branches:
Well, I guess that is true, but the examples I referenced showed more than that. The showed a tendency toward swirly bokeh in the flower images and some cats eyes. This is not horrible, by any means, as all lenses are compromises. This lens has incredible sharpness and aberration control with moderate size and weight. A larger lens could have lost the cats eyes and could have been faster (what I expect we will see in a future GM). A landscape oriented lens could have been smaller tho one would lose autofocus or speed. This is a great "do everything" lens but there will inevitably be weaknesses in particular applications. The bokeh is a weakness to me, albeit a small one. I have been testing the 100 GM stf so my bokeh frame of reference is doubtless skewed....
Re: Pre-order: Zeiss Batis 135mm f/2.8 APO ($1,999)
Matt Grum wrote: virtualrain wrote:
Price aside, it's a strange product mix of trade-offs. I may be wrong but most people shooting a 135 are likely shooting people and value subject isolation and back ground obliteration over corner sharpness and CA correction. To put optical performance across the frame ahead of subject isolation (max aperture) is a bizarre decision in my opinion.
You can obliterate the background very effectively at f/2.8 with a 135mm lens.
Lateral CA is very important to portrait photographers (unless you want your "Bokeh balls" to have a thick green outline...) Sharpness to the corners is not so important for portraits, but will be for other types of photography, and I imagine it all goes hand in hand with being well corrected for colour etc.
ISO1600 wrote:
The Canon 135L is and always has been an absolutely phenomenal lens, and can be had for under $700 these days.
The Canon 135L is a good lens, and fantastic value at the current prices. But I wouldn't say it's phenominal - more recent lenses like the 135/2 APO or Samyang 135 show how much more contrast and sharpness is possible across the frame at f/2.0, and it's not hard to find examples of axial colour from the Canon.
Luvwine wrote:
I found some bokeh examples I did not love here:
It's possible to find bad bokeh samples from any lens. The image content has a large influence on the look of the Bokeh - here's an image from the 135L with bad bokeh due to the presence of thin tree branches:
Well, I guess that is true, but the examples I referenced showed more than that. The showed a tendency toward swirly bokeh in the flower images and some cats eyes. This is not horrible, by any means, as all lenses are compromises. This lens has incredible sharpness and aberration control with moderate size and weight. A larger lens could have lost the cats eyes and could have been faster (what I expect we will see in a future GM). A landscape oriented lens could have been smaller tho one would lose autofocus or speed. This is a great "do everything" lens but there will inevitably be weaknesses in particular applications. The bokeh is a weakness to me, albeit a small one. I have been testing the 100 GM stf so my bokeh frame of reference is doubtless skewed....
Apr 06, 2017 at 08:05 AM
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