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Gary Clennan wrote:
Tmuussoni wrote:
5) So if a modded A7r II would perform as well as M240 / M10 with SEM 21 that would be very interesting option for me. It would eliminate bulb mode problems, doubles the megapixels (a very positive thing) and it would make a much better studio camera than M 240.

I simply feel that some are being a bit too optimistic about how much better a modded A7RII would perform compared to stock. I have yet to see a single photo taken with it on any other digital body that delivered the same exceptional results as digital M.

Based on what Gary? You have no experience with the mod and I very much doubt you have followed testing closely, or the mod owners themselves. You had no interest in modding your Sony at any time.

I'm not sure why you feel the need for an opinion on the subject. There's nothing wrong with staying native as you do. No reason why you should care, or take the time to look into it.

Why not just let the truth come out, instead of prejudging results and other people's optimism? All you need is a lawn and a hose You acted the same way when the A7 had just come out. Now you own one

I know it's a r2.

Did you read Kasson and Digiloyd testing on the v2 Kolari? If you want to know what you are talking about, you should read all his many blog posts on various lenses comparing A7ii stock and mod and M240. Lloyd is one of the few to test the v2 on a A7rii also with the 18 SEM

Here is Kasson with M240 v A7ii and super-elmar.

Lloyd r2 SEM18 Kolari

I will shoot the SEM 21 on M9, A7.v2 and A7.ut and then you can tell us how you were right all along, while we all make our own judgments. I've already seen it on Sam's Camera and another Taiwan Mod, as has Derek. I'll let him report on that.

Here SEM 21 F/4 on Kolari v1:

a7m_sem21_f/4 by unoh7,no PP

Fred Miranda wrote:
My point was that we really don't need to adapt another 21mm and modify our bodies for this focal length.

Who is "We"?

You have a single choice at 21mm, finally. I am not trying to talk you out of it. Maybe some of us would like to use other lenses. Maybe we would like our Sony to be a great ALT body, so we can have more choices that do well. How many M/LTM options at 21mm? Many, with distinct traits. How would they compare with Leica thickness coverglass on r2, or other A7 flavors with the Loxia 21? You don't know. I don't think you care. Nothing wrong with that. But not everyone is of the same mind.

Considering how much you have fiddled with the internals of the ZM 35/1.4 to get it working right, I'm surprised you have such little sympathy for those who would like to reach the same potential on many non natives with a single modification. But I guess if Sony made you a 35 you liked, you would not be trying to improve the ZM35/1.4.

How many 35s do they make?

Some people use one of those, and love them. Other people want to shoot a bunch of M lenses well. That's really what this thread is about. I don't know why that is somehow controversial, but it it always draws the "you should not do that" mentality. Why?

Maybe the Loxia really will beat the SEM 21 on the best r2 mod. I hope we get to find out But as much nicer to use as the SEM 21 is for MF than the Loxia, many would like to see the CV/21 working decently. M10 has it going pretty good now, and I often take it over the SEM 21 on my M9. What could possibly be the attraction, besides the price of 275 USD?


Sony A7.mod by unoh7, A Tiny Thing

We had some incredible skiing today. I took M9, those two lenses and TE 90. I kept up with a very strong crew off-piste all morning. I never once noticed the camera skiing, despite the huge range of motion you get skiing fast in crud and bumps. And I am not young. I like those tiny lenses, Fred.

I like choices

The CV 35/2.5 Skopar, on the A7 above, is another great lens to test a Mod


Not Waiting by unoh7,35 Skopar on M9 today

Below I tested it on the A7r in 2013 at 5.6 or F/8:

Spray Them! by unoh7, CV 35/2.5 F/8 .could be 5.6

So much for that, I thought. Un-usable. It's BW because the colorshift was sickening. Then a year and a month later I tested it on the Kolari A7 v1:

a7M_CV35_56 by unoh7, on Flickr

It still has some edge problems as you can see. Vast improvement. Some saw that and said hey that is fine! So it's a good one to test the new ultra-thin Kolari mod

Now, do I have stronger 35s for the M9? Yes. But I don't have smaller lighter 35s for it, Fred. Which is why I still have the lens. How light and small can I go and still take a FF body?

That in essence is the only reason we have the 35mm format at all. The asthmatic Barnack wanted a hiking camera. Sony took a strong step in that direction with the Nex-5, which is how many us got into the E mount. But with the 600+ gram r2 and numerous DSLR sized lenses, they have lost that plot, not withstanding the lip service to a small system. A r2 without IBIS and the A7 474 gram footprint would be nice, but we will see things go in the other direction this spring I think. Of course, pine for a small camera, and many will chime in to defend their loves: ii is so much better to hold. "We" would not want it any lighter...

Well some of us would, just like we would like to get great performance from small M lenses


Feb 08, 2017 at 10:23 PM
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Gary Clennan wrote:
Tmuussoni wrote:
5) So if a modded A7r II would perform as well as M240 / M10 with SEM 21 that would be very interesting option for me. It would eliminate bulb mode problems, doubles the megapixels (a very positive thing) and it would make a much better studio camera than M 240.

I simply feel that some are being a bit too optimistic about how much better a modded A7RII would perform compared to stock. I have yet to see a single photo taken with it on any other digital body that delivered the same exceptional results as digital M.

Based on what Gary? You have no experience with the mod and I very much doubt you have followed testing closely, or the mod owners themselves. You had no interest in modding your Sony at any time.

I'm not sure why you feel the need for an opinion on the subject. There's nothing wrong with staying native as you do. No reason why you should care, or take the time to look into it.

Why not just let the truth come out, instead of prejudging results and other people's optimism? All you need is a lawn and a hose You acted the same way when the A7 had just come out. Now you own one

I know it's a r2.

Did you read Kasson and Digiloyd testing on the v2 Kolari? If you want to know what you are talking about, you should read all his many blog posts on various lenses comparing A7ii stock and mod and M240. Lloyd is one of the few to test the v2 on a A7rii also with the 18 SEM

Here is Kasson with M240 v A7ii and super-elmar.

Lloyd r2 SEM18 Kolari

I will shoot the SEM 21 on M9, A7.v2 and A7.ut and then you can tell us how you were right all along, while we all make our own judgments. I've already seen it on Sam's Camera and another Taiwan Mod, as has Derek. I'll let him report on that.

Here SEM 21 F/4 on Kolari v1:

a7m_sem21_f/4 by unoh7,no PP

Fred Miranda wrote:
My point was that we really don't need to adapt another 21mm and modify our bodies for this focal length.

Who is "We"?

You have a single choice at 21mm, finally. I am not trying to talk you out of it. Maybe some of us would like to use other lenses. Maybe we would like our Sony to be a great ALT body, so we can have more choices that do well. How many M/LTM options at 21mm? Many, with distinct traits. How would they compare with Leica thickness coverglass on r2, or other A7 flavors with the Loxia 21? You don't know. I don't think you care. Nothing wrong with that. But not everyone is of the same mind.

Considering how much you have fiddled with the internals of the ZM 35/1.4 to get it working right, I'm surprised you have such little sympathy for those who would like to reach the same potential on many non natives with a single modification. But I guess if Sony made you a 35 you liked, you would not be trying to improve the ZM35/1.4.

How many 35s do they make?

Some people use one of those, and love them. Other people want to shoot a bunch of M lenses well. That's really what this thread is about. I don't know why that is somehow controversial, but it it always draws the "you should not do that" mentality. Why?

Maybe the Loxia really will beat the SEM 21 on the best r2 mod. I hope we get to find out But as much nicer to use as the SEM 21 is for MF than the Loxia, many would like to see the CV/21 working decently. M10 has it going pretty good now, and I often take it over the SEM 21 on my M9. What could possibly be the attraction, besides the price of 275 USD?


Sony A7.mod by unoh7, A Tiny Thing

We had some incredible skiing today. I took M9, those two lenses and TE 90. I kept up with a very strong crew off-piste all morning. I never once noticed the camera skiing, despite the huge range of motion you get skiing fast in crud and bumps. And I am not young. I like those tiny lenses, Fred.

I like choices

The CV 35/2.5 Skopar, on the A7 above, is another great lens to test a Mod


Not Waiting by unoh7,35 Skopar on M9 today

Below I tested it on the A7r in 2013 at 5.6 or F/8:

Spray Them! by unoh7, CV 35/2.5 F/8 .could be 5.6

So much for that, I thought. Un-usable. It's BW because the colorshift was sickening. Then a year and a month later I tested it on the Kolari A7 v1:

a7M_CV35_56 by unoh7, on Flickr

It still has some edge problems as you can see. Vast improvement. Some saw that and said hey that is fine! So it's a good one to test the new ultra-thin Kolari mod

Now, do I have stronger 35s for the M9? Yes. But I don't have smaller lighter 35s for it, Fred. Which is why I still have the lens. How light and small can I go and still take a FF body?

That in essence is the only reason we have the 35mm format at all. The asthmatic Barnack wanted a hiking camera. Sony took a strong step in that direction with the Nex-5, which is how many us got into the E mount. But with the 600+ gram r2 and numerous DSLR sized lenses, they have lost that plot, not withstanding the lip service to a small system. A r2 WO IBIS and the A7 474 gram footprint would be nice, but we will see things go in the other direction this spring I think. Of course, pine for a small camera, and many will chime in to defend their loves: ii is so much better to hold. "We" would not want it any lighter...

Well some of us would, just like we would like to get great performance from small M lenses


Feb 08, 2017 at 10:17 PM
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Gary Clennan wrote:
Tmuussoni wrote:
5) So if a modded A7r II would perform as well as M240 / M10 with SEM 21 that would be very interesting option for me. It would eliminate bulb mode problems, doubles the megapixels (a very positive thing) and it would make a much better studio camera than M 240.

I simply feel that some are being a bit too optimistic about how much better a modded A7RII would perform compared to stock. I have yet to see a single photo taken with it on any other digital body that delivered the same exceptional results as digital M.

Based on what Gary? You have no experience with the mod and I very much doubt you have followed testing closely, or the mod owners themselves. You had no interest in modding your Sony at any time.

I'm not sure why you feel the need for an opinion on the subject. There's nothing wrong with staying native as you do. No reason why you should care, or take the time to look into it.

Why not just let the truth come out, instead of prejudging results and other people's optimism? All you need is a lawn and a hose You acted the same way when the A7 had just come out. Now you own one

I know it's a r2.

Did you read Kasson and Digiloyd testing on the v2 Kolari? If you want to know what you are talking about, you should read all his many blog posts on various lenses comparing A7ii stock and mod and M240. Lloyd is one of the few to test the v2 on a A7rii also with the 18 SEM

Here is Kasson with M240 v A7ii and super-elmar.

Lloyd r2 SEM18 Kolari

I will shoot the SEM 21 on M9, A7.v2 and A7.ut and then you can tell us how you were right all along, while we all make our own judgments. I've already seen it on Sam's Camera and another Taiwan Mod, as has Derek. I'll let him report on that.

Here SEM 21 F/4 on Kolari v1:

a7m_sem21_f/4 by unoh7,no PP

Fred Miranda wrote:
My point was that we really don't need to adapt another 21mm and modify our bodies for this focal length.

Who is "We"?

You have a single choice at 21mm, finally. I am not trying to talk you out of it. Maybe some of us would like to use other lenses. Maybe we would like our Sony to be a great ALT body, so we can have more choices that do well. How many M/LTM options at 21mm? Many, with distinct traits. How would they compare with Leica thickness coverglass on r2, or other A7 flavors with the Loxia 21? You don't know. I don't think you care. Nothing wrong with that. But not everyone is of the same mind.

Considering how much you have fiddled with the internals of the ZM 35/1.4 to get it working right, I'm surprised you have such little sympathy for those who would like to reach the same potential on many non natives with a single modification. But I guess if Sony made you a 35 you liked, you would not be trying to improve the ZM35/1.4.

How many 35s do they make?

Some people use one of those, and love them. Other people want to shoot a bunch of M lenses well. That's really what this thread is about. I don't know why that is somehow controversial, but it it always draws the "you should not do that" mentality. Why?

Maybe the Loxia really will beat the SEM 21 on the best r2 mod. I hope we get to find out But as much nicer to use as the SEM 21 is for MF than the Loxia, many would like to see the CV/21 working decently. M10 has it going pretty good now, and I often take it over the SEM 21 on my M9. What could possibly be the attraction, besides the price of 275 USD?


Sony A7.mod by unoh7, A Tiny Thing

We had some incredible skiing today. I took M9, those two lenses and TE 90. I kept up with a very strong crew off-piste all morning. I never once noticed the camera skiing, despite the huge range of motion you get skiing fast in crud and bumps. And I am not young. I like those tiny lenses, Fred.

I like choices

The CV 35/2.5 Skopar, on the A7 above, is another great lens to test a Mod


Not Waiting by unoh7,35 Skopar on M9 today

Below I tested it on the A7r in 2013 at 5.6 or F/8:

Spray Them! by unoh7, CV 35/2.5 F/8 .could be 5.6

So much for that, I thought. Un-usable. It's BW because the colorshift was sickening. Then a year and a month later I tested it on the Kolari A7 v1:

a7M_CV35_56 by unoh7, on Flickr

It still has some edge problems as you can see. Vast improvement. Some saw that and said hey that is fine!

So it's a good one to test the new ultra-thin Kolari mod


Feb 08, 2017 at 10:01 PM
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First Sighting: A7rii Thin filter in action


Gary Clennan wrote:
Tmuussoni wrote:
5) So if a modded A7r II would perform as well as M240 / M10 with SEM 21 that would be very interesting option for me. It would eliminate bulb mode problems, doubles the megapixels (a very positive thing) and it would make a much better studio camera than M 240.

I simply feel that some are being a bit too optimistic about how much better a modded A7RII would perform compared to stock. I have yet to see a single photo taken with it on any other digital body that delivered the same exceptional results as digital M.

Based on what Gary? You have no experience with the mod and I very much doubt you have followed testing closely, or the mod owners themselves. You had no interest in modding your Sony at any time.

I'm not sure why you feel the need for an opinion on the subject. There's nothing wrong with staying native as you do. No reason why you should care, or take the time to look into it.

Why not just let the truth come out, instead of prejudging results and other people's optimism? All you need is a lawn and a hose You acted the same way when the A7 had just come out. Now you own one

I know it's a r2.

Did you read Kasson and Digiloyd testing on the v2 Kolari? If you want to know what you are talking about, you should read all his many blog posts on various lenses comparing A7ii stock and mod and M240. Lloyd is one of the few to test the v2 on a A7rii also with the 18 SEM

Here is Kasson with M240 v A7ii and super-elmar.

Lloyd r2 SEM18 Kolari

I will shoot the SEM 21 on M9, A7.v2 and A7.ut and then you can tell us how you were right all along, while we all make our own judgments. I've already seen it on Sam's Camera and another Taiwan Mod, as has Derek. I'll let him report on that.

Here SEM 21 F/4 on Kolari v1:

a7m_sem21_f/4 by unoh7,no PP

Fred Miranda wrote:
My point was that we really don't need to adapt another 21mm and modify our bodies for this focal length.

Who is "We"?

You have a single choice at 21mm, finally. I am not trying to talk you out of it. Maybe some of us would like to use other lenses. Maybe we would like our Sony to be a great ALT body, so we can have more choices that do well. How many M/LTM options at 21mm? Many, with distinct traits. How would they compare with Leica thickness coverglass on r2, or other A7 flavors with the Loxia 21? You don't know. I don't think you care. Nothing wrong with that. But not everyone is of the same mind.

Considering how much you have fiddled with the internals of the ZM 35/1.4 to get it working right, I'm surprised you have such little sympathy for those who would like to reach the same potential on many non natives with a single modification. But I guess if Sony made you a 35 you liked, you would not be trying to improve the ZM35/1.4.

How many 35s do they make?

Some people use one of those, and love them. Other people want to shoot a bunch of M lenses well. That's really what this thread is about. I don't know why that is somehow controversial, but it it always draws the "you should not do that" mentality. Why?

Maybe the Loxia really will beat the SEM 21 on the best r2 mod. I hope we get to find out But as much nicer to use as the SEM 21 is for MF than the Loxia, many would like to see the CV/21 working decently. M10 has it going pretty good now, and I often take it over the SEM 21 on my M9. What could possibly be the attraction, besides the price of 275 USD?


Sony A7.mod by unoh7, A Tiny Thing

We had some incredible skiing today. I took M9, those two lenses and TE 90. I kept up with a very strong crew off-piste all morning. I never once noticed the camera skiing, despite the huge range of motion you get skiing fast in crud and bumps. And I am not young. I like those tiny lenses, Fred.

I like choices

The CV 35/2.5 Skopar, on the A7 above, is another great lens to test a Mod


Not Waiting by unoh7,35 Skopar on M9 today

Below I tested it on the A7r in 2013 at 5.6 or F/8:

Spray Them! by unoh7, CV 35/2.5 F/8 .could be 5.6

So much for that, I thought. Un-usable. It's BW because the colorshift was sickening. Then a year and a month later I tested it on the Kolari A7 v1:

a7M_CV35_56 by unoh7, on Flickr

It still has some edge problems as you can see. Vast improvement. Some saw that and said hey that is fine!

So it's good one to test the new ultra-thin Kolari mod


Feb 08, 2017 at 10:01 PM
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First Sighting: A7rii Thin filter in action


Gary Clennan wrote:
Tmuussoni wrote:
5) So if a modded A7r II would perform as well as M240 / M10 with SEM 21 that would be very interesting option for me. It would eliminate bulb mode problems, doubles the megapixels (a very positive thing) and it would make a much better studio camera than M 240.

I simply feel that some are being a bit too optimistic about how much better a modded A7RII would perform compared to stock. I have yet to see a single photo taken with it on any other digital body that delivered the same exceptional results as digital M.

Based on what Gary? You have no experience with the mod and I very much doubt you have followed testing closely, or the mod owners themselves. You had no interest in modding your Sony at any time.

I'm not sure why you feel the need for an opinion on the subject. There's nothing wrong with staying native as you do. No reason why you should care, or take the time to look into it.

Why not just let the truth come out, instead of prejudging results and other people's optimism? All you need is a lawn and a hose You acted the same way when the A7 had just come out. Now you own one

I know it's a r2.

Did you read Kasson and Digiloyd testing on the v2 Kolari? If you want to know what you are talking about, you should read all his many blog posts on various lenses comparing A7ii stock and mod and M240. Lloyd is one of the few to test the v2 on a A7rii also with the 18 SEM

Here is Kasson with M240 v A7ii and super-elmar.

Lloyd r2 SEM18 Kolari

I will shoot the SEM 21 on M9, A7.v2 and A7.ut and then you can tell us how you were right all along, while we all make our own judgments. I've already seen it on Sam's Camera and another Taiwan Mod, as has Derek. I'll let him report on that.

Here SEM 21 F/4 on Kolari v1:

a7m_sem21_f/4 by unoh7,no PP

Fred Miranda wrote:
My point was that we really don't need to adapt another 21mm and modify our bodies for this focal length.

Who is "We"?

You have a single choice at 21mm, finally. I am not trying to talk you out of it. Maybe some of us would like to use other lenses. Maybe we would like our Sony to be a great ALT body, so we can have more choices that do well. How many M/LTM options at 21mm? Many, with distinct traits. How would they compare with Leica thickness coverglass on r2, or other A7 flavors with the Loxia 21? You don't know. I don't think you care. Nothing wrong with that. But not everyone is of the same mind.

Considering how much you have fiddled with the internals of the ZM 35/1.4 to get it working right, I'm surprised you have such little sympathy for those who would like to reach the same potential on many non natives with a single modification. But I guess if Sony made you a 35 you liked, you would not be trying to improve the ZM35/1.4.

How many 35s do they make?

Some people use one of those, and love them. Other people want to shoot a bunch of M lenses well. That's really what this thread is about. I don't know why that is somehow controversial, but it it always draws the "you should not do that" mentality. Why?

Maybe the Loxia really will beat the SEM 21 on the best r2 mod. I hope we get to find out But as much nicer to use as the SEM 21 is for MF than the Loxia, many would like to see the CV/21 working decently. M10 has it going pretty good now, and I often take it over the SEM 21 on my M9. What could possibly be the attraction, besides the price of 275 USD?


Sony A7.mod by unoh7, A Tiny Thing

We had some incredible skiing today. I took M9, those two lenses and TE 90. I kept up with a very strong crew off-piste all morning. I never once noticed the camera skiing, despite the huge range of motion you get skiing fast in crud and bumps. And I am not young. I like those tiny lenses, Fred.

I like choices

The CV 35/2.5 Skopar, on the A7 above, is another great lens to test a Mod


Not Waiting by unoh7,35 Skopar on M9 today

Below I tested it on the A7r in 2013 at 5.6 or F/8:

Spray Them! by unoh7, CV 35/2.5 F/8 .could be 5.6

So much for that, I thought. Un-usable. Then a year and a month later I tested it on the Kolari A7 v1:

a7M_CV35_56 by unoh7, on Flickr

It still has some edge problems as you can see. Vast improvement. Some saw that and said hey that is fine!

So it's good one to test the new ultra-thin Kolari mod


Feb 08, 2017 at 10:00 PM
uhoh7
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First Sighting: A7rii Thin filter in action


Gary Clennan wrote:
Tmuussoni wrote:
5) So if a modded A7r II would perform as well as M240 / M10 with SEM 21 that would be very interesting option for me. It would eliminate bulb mode problems, doubles the megapixels (a very positive thing) and it would make a much better studio camera than M 240.

I simply feel that some are being a bit too optimistic about how much better a modded A7RII would perform compared to stock. I have yet to see a single photo taken with it on any other digital body that delivered the same exceptional results as digital M.

Based on what Gary? You have no experience with the mod and I very much doubt you have followed testing closely, or the mod owners themselves. You had no interest in modding your Sony at any time.

I'm not sure why you feel the need for an opinion on the subject. There's nothing wrong with staying native as you do. No reason why you should care, or take the time to look into it.

Why not just let the truth come out, instead of prejudging results and other people's optimism? All you need is a lawn and a hose You acted the same way when the A7 had just come out. Now you own one

I know it's a r2.

Did you read Kasson and Digiloyd testing on the v2 Kolari? If you want to know what you are talking about, you should read all his many blog posts on various lenses comparing A7ii stock and mod and M240. Lloyd is one of the few to test the v2 on a A7rii also with the 18 SEM

Here is Kasson with M240 v A7ii and super-elmar.

Lloyd r2 SEM18 Kolari

I will shoot the SEM 21 on M9, A7.v2 and A7.ut and then you can tell us how you were right all along, while we all make our own judgments. I've already seen it on Sam's Camera and another Taiwan Mod, as has Derek. I'll let him report on that.

Here SEM 21 F/4 on Kolari v1:

a7m_sem21_f/4 by unoh7,no PP

Fred Miranda wrote:
My point was that we really don't need to adapt another 21mm and modify our bodies for this focal length.

Who is "We"?

You have a single choice at 21mm, finally. I am not trying to talk you out of it. Maybe some of us would like to use other lenses. Maybe we would like our Sony to be a great ALT body, so we can have more choices that do well. How many M/LTM options at 21mm? Many, with distinct traits. How would they compare with Leica thickness coverglass on r2, or other A7 flavors with the Loxia 21? You don't know. I don't think you care. Nothing wrong with that. But not everyone is of the same mind.

Considering how much you have fiddled with the internals of the ZM 35/1.4 to get it working right, I'm surprised you have such little sympathy for those who would like to reach the same potential on many non natives with a single modification. But I guess if Sony made you a 35 you liked, you would not be trying to improve the ZM35/1.4.

How many 35s do they make?

Some people use one of those, and love them. Other people want to shoot a bunch of M lenses well. That's really what this thread is about. I don't know why that is somehow controversial, but it it always draws the "you should not do that" mentality. Why?

Maybe the Loxia really will beat the SEM 21 on the best r2 mod. I hope we get to find out But as much nicer to use as the SEM 21 is for MF than the Loxia, many would like to see the CV/21 working decently. M10 has it going pretty good now, and I often take it over the SEM 21 on my M9. What could possibly be the attraction, besides the price of 275 USD?


Sony A7.mod by unoh7, A Tiny Thing

We had some incredible skiing today. I took M9, those two lenses and TE 90. I kept up with a very strong crew off-piste all morning. I never once noticed the camera skiing, despite the huge range of motion you get skiing fast in crud and bumps. And I am not young. I like those tiny lenses, Fred.

I like choices

The CV 35/2.5 Skopar, on the A7 above, is another great lens to test a Mod


Not Waiting by unoh7,35 Skopar on M9 today

Below I tested it on the A7r in 2013 at 5.6 or F/8:

Spray Them! by unoh7, CV 35/2.5 F/8 .could be 5.6

So much for that, I thought. Un-usable. Then a year and a month later I tested it on the Kolari v1:

a7M_CV35_56 by unoh7, on Flickr

It still has some edge problems as you can see. Vast improvement. Some saw that and said hey that is fine!

So it's good one to test the new ultra-thin Kolari mod


Feb 08, 2017 at 09:54 PM
uhoh7
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First Sighting: A7rii Thin filter in action


Gary Clennan wrote:
Tmuussoni wrote:
5) So if a modded A7r II would perform as well as M240 / M10 with SEM 21 that would be very interesting option for me. It would eliminate bulb mode problems, doubles the megapixels (a very positive thing) and it would make a much better studio camera than M 240.

I simply feel that some are being a bit too optimistic about how much better a modded A7RII would perform compared to stock. I have yet to see a single photo taken with it on any other digital body that delivered the same exceptional results as digital M.

Based on what Gary? You have no experience with the mod and I very much doubt you have followed testing closely, or the mod owners themselves. You had no interest in modding your Sony at any time.

I'm not sure why you feel the need for an opinion on the subject. There's nothing wrong with staying native as you do. No reason why you should care, or take the time to look into it.

Why not just let the truth come out, instead of prejudging results and other people's optimism? All you need is a lawn and a hose You acted the same way when the A7 had just come out. Now you own one

I know it's a r2.

Did you read Kasson and Digiloyd testing on the v2 Kolari? If you want to know what you are talking about, you should read all his many blog posts on various lenses comparing A7ii stock and mod and M240. Lloyd is one of the few to test the v2 on a A7rii also with the 18 SEM

Here is Kasson with M240 v A7ii and super-elmar.

Lloyd r2 SEM18 Kolari

I will shoot the SEM 21 on M9, A7.v2 and A7.ut and then you can tell us how you were right all along, while we all make our own judgments. I've already seen it on Sam's Camera and another Taiwan Mod, as has Derek. I'll let him report on that.

Here SEM 21 F/4 on Kolari v1:

a7m_sem21_f/4 by unoh7,no PP

Fred Miranda wrote:
My point was that we really don't need to adapt another 21mm and modify our bodies for this focal length.

Who is "We"?

You have a single choice at 21mm, finally. I am not trying to talk you out of it. Maybe some of us would like to use other lenses. Maybe we would like our Sony to be a great ALT body, so we can have more choices that do well. How many M/LTM options at 21mm? Many, with distinct traits. How would they compare with Leica thickness coverglass on r2, or other A7 flavors with the Loxia 21? You don't know. I don't think you care. Nothing wrong with that. But not everyone is of the same mind.

Considering how much you have fiddled with the internals of the ZM 35/1.4 to get it working right, I'm surprised you have such little sympathy for those who would like to reach the same potential on many non natives with a single modification. But I guess if Sony made you a 35 you liked, you would not be trying to improve the ZM35/1.4.

How many 35s do they make?

Some people use one of those, and love them. Other people want to shoot a bunch of M lenses well. That's really what this thread is about. I don't know why that is somehow controversial, but it it always draws the "you should not do that" mentality. Why?

Maybe the Loxia really will beat the SEM 21 on the best r2 mod. I hope we get to find out But as much nicer to use as the SEM 21 is for MF than the Loxia, many would like to see the CV/21 working decently. M10 has it going pretty good now, and I often take it over the SEM 21 on my M9. What could possibly be the attraction, besides the price of 275 USD?


Sony A7.mod by unoh7, A Tiny Thing

We had some incredible skiing today. I took M9, those two lenses and TE 90. I kept up with a very strong crew off-piste all morning. I never once noticed the camera skiing, despite the huge range of motion you get skiing fast in crud and bumps. And I am not young. I like those tiny lenses, Fred.

I like choices

The CV 35/2.5 Skopar is another lens to test a Mod


Not Waiting by unoh7,35 Skopar on M9 today

Below I tested it on the A7r in 2013 at 5.6 or F/8:

Spray Them! by unoh7, CV 35/2.5 F/8 .could be 5.6

So much for that, I thought. Un-usable. Then a year and a month later I tested it on the Kolari v1:

a7M_CV35_56 by unoh7, on Flickr

It still has some edge problems as you can see. Vast improvement. Some saw that and said hey that is fine!

So it's good one to test the new ultra-thin Kolari mod


Feb 08, 2017 at 09:53 PM
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Gary Clennan wrote:
Tmuussoni wrote:
5) So if a modded A7r II would perform as well as M240 / M10 with SEM 21 that would be very interesting option for me. It would eliminate bulb mode problems, doubles the megapixels (a very positive thing) and it would make a much better studio camera than M 240.

I simply feel that some are being a bit too optimistic about how much better a modded A7RII would perform compared to stock. I have yet to see a single photo taken with it on any other digital body that delivered the same exceptional results as digital M.

Based on what Gary? You have no experience with the mod and I very much doubt you have followed testing closely, or the mod owners themselves. You had no interest in modding your Sony at any time.

I'm not sure why you feel the need for an opinion on the subject. There's nothing wrong with staying native as you do. No reason why you should care, or take the time to look into it.

Why not just let the truth come out, instead of prejudging results and other people's optimism? All you need is a lawn and a hose You acted the same way when the A7 had just come out. Now you own one

I know it's a r2.

Did you read Kasson and Digiloyd testing on the v2 Kolari? If you want to know what you are talking about, you should read all his many blog posts on various lenses comparing A7ii stock and mod and M240. Lloyd is one of the few to test the v2 on a A7rii also with the 18 SEM

Here is Kasson with M240 v A7ii and super-elmar.

Lloyd r2 SEM18 Kolari

I will shoot the SEM 21 on M9, A7.v2 and A7.ut and then you can tell us how you were right all along, while we all make our own judgments. I've already seen it on Sam's Camera and another Taiwan Mod, as has Derek. I'll let him report on that.

Here SEM 21 F/4 on Kolari v1:

a7m_sem21_f/4 by unoh7,no PP

Fred Miranda wrote:
My point was that we really don't need to adapt another 21mm and modify our bodies for this focal length.

Who is "We"?

You have a single choice at 21mm, finally. I am not trying to talk you out of it. Maybe some of us would like to use other lenses. Maybe we would like our Sony to be a great ALT body, so we can have more choices that do well. How many M/LTM options at 21mm? Many, with distinct traits. How would they compare with Leica thickness coverglass on r2, or other A7 flavors with the Loxia 21? You don't know. I don't think you care. Nothing wrong with that. But not everyone is of the same mind.

Considering how much you have fiddled with the internals of the ZM 35/1.4 to get it working right, I'm surprised you have such little sympathy for those who would like to reach the same potential on many non natives with a single modification. But I guess if Sony made you a 35 you liked, you would not be trying to improve the ZM35/1.4.

How many 35s do they make?

Some people use one of those, and love them. Other people want to shoot a bunch of M lenses well. That's really what this thread is about. I don't know why that is somehow controversial, but it it always draws the "you should not do that" mentality. Why?

Maybe the Loxia really will beat the SEM 21 on the best r2 mod. I hope we get to find out But as much nicer to use as the SEM 21 is for MF than the Loxia, many would like to see the CV/21 working decently. M10 has it going pretty good now, and I often take it over the SEM 21 on my M9. What could possibly be the attraction, besides the price of 275 USD?


Sony A7.mod by unoh7, A Tiny Thing

We had some incredible skiing today. I took M9, those two lenses and TE 90. I kept up with a very strong crew off-piste all morning. I never once noticed the camera skiing, despite the huge range of motion you get skiing fast in crud and bumps. And I am not young. I like those tiny lenses, Fred.

I like choices


Feb 08, 2017 at 06:25 PM





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