Good point about Instax. The media is selling, due to the appeal of instant photographs.
(Instax users no doubt constitute a portion of the 18% in this "survey" reporting that they] "till use
, but only for fun." By the way, that is the largest of the groups claiming to use it in this poll.)
George Orwell wrote:
Sounds like to me Kodak's film sales are relatively flat; certainly not in a steep decline.
The decline already occurred. Compare to a decade or more ago.
That ought to make many, if not most, in this thread very unhappy. Despite the transparent posturing, there is quite a lot of contempt for film in this thread.
Transparent posturing? Contempt? ;-)
George Orwell wrote:
Speaking of trends, the collapse in the digital camera sales has been profound and the end is still nowhere in sight
We've had this discussion here from time to time. The "collapse" of digital camera sales is a very different thing than what happened to film. There are two primary factors at work, and neither indicates that digital cameras are fading away.
1. Smartphones have largely taken over the point and shoot market. (These are not using film, by the way... ;-) )
2. As with any game-changing new technology (desktop computers, digital watches, flat-screen televisions, you name it) the initial explosive growth cannot be sustained. At first with digital cameras we saw a wholesale move to the new technology that exploded the camera market and sales increased far beyond the rates that had prevailed before that. People who were "switching" got their first digital camera, folks who had switched moved through a series of cameras as they tried it out (all-in-one, first DSLR, higher quality DSLR, perhaps today a mirrorless camera), many new buyers were attracted by all of the excitement. A decade or so later, the rate of improvement slowed, there were far fewer first time buyers, and the number of "switchers" dropped to almost zero. Rates of sales are dropping into the range (when it comes to high end cameras such as DSLRs and mirrorless0 that are approximately a projection of the pre-DSLR curve of film cameras.
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Daniel Smith wrote:
Sorry dan, you are misinterpreting what was written.
How so?
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None of this is to say that if you prefer to use film that you should not. If you prefer film technologies, then by all means continue to use them. As I've written (so many times that I feel like a broken record) I used film for decades and I still have friends who are primarily film photographers, and they do beautiful work with film.
That is a different question though than how film's prevalence in the overall world of photography has changed in the past 10-15 years or so, a period when it went from ubiquitous to an unusual thing for most people making photographs.
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Finally, I wonder if this whole thread needs to be moved somewhere else. I has virtually nothing to do with Canon cameras at this point...
Good point about Instax. The media is selling, due to the appeal of instant photographs.
George Orwell wrote:
Sounds like to me Kodak's film sales are relatively flat; certainly not in a steep decline.
The decline already occurred. Compare to a decade or more ago.
That ought to make many, if not most, in this thread very unhappy. Despite the transparent posturing, there is quite a lot of contempt for film in this thread.
Transparent posturing? Contempt? ;-)
George Orwell wrote:
Speaking of trends, the collapse in the digital camera sales has been profound and the end is still nowhere in sight
We've had this discussion here from time to time. The "collapse" of digital camera sales is a very different thing than what happened to film. There are two primary factors at work, and neither indicates that digital cameras are fading away.
1. Smartphones have largely taken over the point and shoot market. (These are not using film, by the way... ;-) )
2. As with any game-changing new technology (desktop computers, digital watches, flat-screen televisions, you name it) the initial explosive growth cannot be sustained. At first with digital cameras we saw a wholesale move to the new technology that exploded the camera market and sales increased far beyond the rates that had prevailed before that. People who were "switching" got their first digital camera, folks who had switched moved through a series of cameras as they tried it out (all-in-one, first DSLR, higher quality DSLR, perhaps today a mirrorless camera), many new buyers were attracted by all of the excitement. A decade or so later, the rate of improvement slowed, there were far fewer first time buyers, and the number of "switchers" dropped to almost zero. Rates of sales are dropping into the range (when it comes to high end cameras such as DSLRs and mirrorless0 that are approximately a projection of the pre-DSLR curve of film cameras.
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Daniel Smith wrote:
Sorry dan, you are misinterpreting what was written.
How so?
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None of this is to say that if you prefer to use film that you should not. If you prefer film technologies, then by all means continue to use them. As I've written (so many times that I feel like a broken record) I used film for decades and I still have friends who are primarily film photographers, and they do beautiful work with film.
That is a different question though than how film's prevalence in the overall world of photography has changed in the past 10-15 years or so, a period when it went from ubiquitous to an unusual thing for most people making photographs.
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Finally, I wonder if this whole thread needs to be moved somewhere else. I has virtually nothing to do with Canon cameras at this point...
Dan
Dec 23, 2016 at 07:14 PM
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