ckcarr wrote:
I\'d give you a suggestion, after reading the below. Get off your high horse. Jim is a \"truth teller\" here, and some appreciate that and some don\'t. Being an \"Artist\" however does not a landscape photographer make. You sound \"very very\" arrogant and defensive. You also don\'t get to pick and choose how you would like your criticism structured on an open forum. If you are confident, I\'d just think \"yeah, whatever...\"
All I see happening to otherwise nice pictures is a heavy hand on the white balance and exposure sliders.
No real comments necessary on these pictures as you have it all figured out.
johntruong wrote:
Again, I understand your comments. But for me, your tips are very very left brained. They are also very obvious (you are simply stating things that I intentionally did. As someone who is critiquing, might I suggest maybe ask WHY I did those things before commenting further?)
I am an artist with an art degree, and my point is not to necessarily show you clinically, but to make you FEEL what I feel when I see something as wonderful as Yosemite.
If, for example, you said \"your reds are not working with your blues and could be less saturated and maybe you can dodge it to lighten the value in the Tunnel view shot\", then yeah, that is something I can take into consideration but your tips for me are very typical left brained comments.
Wow, I share landscape images on this forum hoping others would enjoy what I saw, and I honestly did not expect to get this kind of response.
I\'ll explain what happened from my point of view. I post on this forum for the first time. Jim PMs me reprimanding I cannot put more than 5 images (there is no sticky on this rule and I honestly did not know that, and he did not go into detail why), so he said he edited my post and took out images. I responded to him politely and told him thanks. No welcome to the forum, no explanation why, just a quick scolding.
Then he makes comments on my images. Which, again, I have no issues with.
But what I saw at that point was just a moderator throwing his ego around putting a new person in his place.
Does Jim sincerely want to help me improve my work?
I certainly do no know everything, but I have been photographing and making art all my life, I went to school both undergrad and masters - I have sat in countless critiques where an art professor has verbally ripped up my work up in front of many students - so when I post an image - I usually have a reason for why I did something. I was never asked that. I was given a knee jerk response with tips that were both obvious and condescending from someone I have never spoken with.
One of the etiquettes of any critique is that you must ask WHY before you start to assume and give a response.
I was being nice earlier with my response to Jim, but since you are bringing this up again - Jim\'s \"truth teller\" tips are obvious. I KNOW the trees are red haha. I KNOW I put the cast on there, because I purposely did that.
ckcarr wrote:
I\'d give you a suggestion, after reading the below. Get off your high horse. Jim is a \"truth teller\" here, and some appreciate that and some don\'t. Being an \"Artist\" however does not a landscape photographer make. You sound \"very very\" arrogant and defensive. You also don\'t get to pick and choose how you would like your criticism structured on an open forum. If you are confident, I\'d just think \"yeah, whatever...\"
All I see happening to otherwise nice pictures is a heavy hand on the white balance and exposure sliders.
No real comments necessary on these pictures as you have it all figured out.
johntruong wrote:
Again, I understand your comments. But for me, your tips are very very left brained. They are also very obvious (you are simply stating things that I intentionally did. As someone who is critiquing, might I suggest maybe ask WHY I did those things before commenting further?)
I am an artist with an art degree, and my point is not to necessarily show you clinically, but to make you FEEL what I feel when I see something as wonderful as Yosemite.
If, for example, you said \"your reds are not working with your blues and could be less saturated and maybe you can dodge it to lighten the value in the Tunnel view shot\", then yeah, that is something I can take into consideration but your tips for me are very typical left brained comments.
Wow, I share landscape images on this forum hoping others would enjoy what I saw, and I honestly did not get this kind of response.
I\'ll explain what happened from my point of view. I post on this forum for the first time. Jim PMs me reprimanding I cannot put more than 5 images (there is no sticky on this rule and I honestly did not know that, and he did not go into detail why), so he said he edited my post and took out images. I responded to him politely and told him thanks. No welcome to the forum, no explanation why, just a quick scolding.
Then he makes comments on my images. Which, again, I have no issues with.
But what I saw at that point was just a moderator throwing his ego around putting a new person in his place.
Does Jim sincerely want to help me improve my work?
I certainly do no know everything, but I have been photographing and making art all my life, I went to school both undergrad and masters - I have sat in countless critiques where an art professor has verbally ripped up my work up in front of many students - so when I post an image - I usually have a reason for why I did something. I was never asked that. I was given a knee jerk response with tips that were both obvious and condescending from someone I have never spoken with.
One of the etiquettes of any critique is that you must ask WHY before you start to assume and give a response.
I was being nice earlier with my response to Jim, but since you are bringing this up again - Jim\'s \"truth teller\" tips are obvious. I KNOW the trees are red haha. I KNOW I put the cast on there, because I purposely did that.
ckcarr wrote:
I\'d give you a suggestion, after reading the below. Get off your high horse. Jim is a \"truth teller\" here, and some appreciate that and some don\'t. Being an \"Artist\" however does not a landscape photographer make. You sound \"very very\" arrogant and defensive. You also don\'t get to pick and choose how you would like your criticism structured on an open forum. If you are confident, I\'d just think \"yeah, whatever...\"
All I see happening to otherwise nice pictures is a heavy hand on the white balance and exposure sliders.
No real comments necessary on these pictures as you have it all figured out.
johntruong wrote:
Again, I understand your comments. But for me, your tips are very very left brained. They are also very obvious (you are simply stating things that I intentionally did. As someone who is critiquing, might I suggest maybe ask WHY I did those things before commenting further?)
I am an artist with an art degree, and my point is not to necessarily show you clinically, but to make you FEEL what I feel when I see something as wonderful as Yosemite.
If, for example, you said \"your reds are not working with your blues and could be less saturated and maybe you can dodge it to lighten the value in the Tunnel view shot\", then yeah, that is something I can take into consideration but your tips for me are very typical left brained comments.
Wow, I share landscape images on this forum hoping others would enjoy what I saw, and I honestly did not get this kind of response.
I\'ll explain what happened from my point of view. I post on this forum for the first time. Jim PMs me reprimanding I cannot put more than 5 images (there is no sticky on this rule and I honestly did not know that, and he did not go into detail why), so he said he edited my post and took out images. I responded to him politely and told him thanks. No welcome to the forum, no explanation why, just a quick scolding.
Then he makes comments on my images. Which, again, I have no issues with.
But what I saw at that point was just a moderator throwing his ego around putting a new person in his place.
Does Jim sincerely want to help me improve my work?
I certainly do no know everything, but I have been photographing and making art all my life, I went to school both undergrad and masters - I have sat in countless critiques where an art professor has verbally ripped up my work up in front of many students - so when I post an image - I usually have a reason for why I did something. I was never asked that. I was given a knee jerk response with tips that were both obvious and condescending from someone I have never spoken with.
One of the etiquettes of any critique is that you must ask WHY before you start to assuming and giving a response.
I was being nice earlier with my response to Jim, but since you are bringing this up again - Jim\'s \"truth teller\" tips are obvious. I KNOW the trees are red haha. I KNOW I put the cast on there, because I purposely did that.
Nov 13, 2015 at 02:27 PM
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