Re: Sony A7RII DR test at base ISO (compared to A7R)
justruss wrote: mttran wrote:
Read the summary of 4th (A7R), 5th (A7Rii) and 6th (A7Riii/Axxx?) generation model if you want to know the different architecture between FSI EXMOR, BSI EXMOR R and BSI EXMOR RS versions. Pay attention on deeper pixel well to raise the DR of the 4th generation and whatever missing on the 5th which to be filled in by the 6th generation in near future: http://www.framos.com/en/news/news/single-view/article/what-is-sonys-technology-anyway.html
We don\'t expect much differences on low iso range but lot of DR improvement on higher end based on BSI structure.
I think you\'re reading this incorrectly, or at least predicting the future incorrectly.
My understanding is that the RS sensor will allow for more resolution scaling without reducing DR... or maaaaybe better DR scaling without reducing resolution. So it will more or less follow the pattern from the A7r -> A7r2 (but a bigger resolution jump possible). If Sony continues down the A7s/A7r split route, we might get an A7r3 that has similar DR to the current model, but with an 60-80mp sensor, and an A7s with a 24-36mp sensor with maybe a stop better DR than the current model.
What I don\'t expect-- if we see this in the next 24 months-- is to get an 80-100mp model, in 135-format size, usingTHIS tech to expand DR by much. That\'s pie in the sky-- or a handful of generations down the line, or some other technology-- stuff.
All of this at base ISO, of course. I expect that Sony may push it\'s high ISO DR more towards the potential shown in its base ISO... just like they did with the A7s and A7r2...
This first BSI sensor was based on the 3th generation which lack of some key features of the 4th (A7R) generation upgrade. Even with that oldier configuration this 5th generation BSI structure still work really well compared to A7R without the help of deeper pixel well. I believe that is what the article said. Wait until after it get the retrofits from the 4th generation plus some side works as indicated by the article, we will see the new 6th RS generation to have the best low lights sensitivity thus much wider DR. We might see another 1/2 to 1.5 stops (or maybe more) wider on top of the whole A7Rii (low and high) iso range.
The part of 100MP is the joke for myself to stay out of MKii upgrade
Re: Sony A7RII DR test at base ISO (compared to A7R)
justruss wrote: mttran wrote:
Read the summary of 4th (A7R), 5th (A7Rii) and 6th (A7Riii/Axxx?) generation model if you want to know the different architecture between FSI EXMOR, BSI EXMOR R and BSI EXMOR RS versions. Pay attention on deeper pixel well to raise the DR of the 4th generation and whatever missing on the 5th which to be filled in by the 6th generation in near future: http://www.framos.com/en/news/news/single-view/article/what-is-sonys-technology-anyway.html
We don\'t expect much differences on low iso range but lot of DR improvement on higher end based on BSI structure.
I think you\'re reading this incorrectly, or at least predicting the future incorrectly.
My understanding is that the RS sensor will allow for more resolution scaling without reducing DR... or maaaaybe better DR scaling without reducing resolution. So it will more or less follow the pattern from the A7r -> A7r2 (but a bigger resolution jump possible). If Sony continues down the A7s/A7r split route, we might get an A7r3 that has similar DR to the current model, but with an 60-80mp sensor, and an A7s with a 24-36mp sensor with maybe a stop better DR than the current model.
What I don\'t expect-- if we see this in the next 24 months-- is to get an 80-100mp model, in 135-format size, usingTHIS tech to expand DR by much. That\'s pie in the sky-- or a handful of generations down the line, or some other technology-- stuff.
All of this at base ISO, of course. I expect that Sony may push it\'s high ISO DR more towards the potential shown in its base ISO... just like they did with the A7s and A7r2...
This first BSI sensor was based on the 3th generation which lack of some key features of the 4th (A7R) generation upgrade. Even with that oldier configuration this 5th generation BSI structure still work really well compared to A7R without the help of deeper pixel well. I believe that is what the article said. Wait until after it get the retrofits from the 4th generation plus some side works as indicated by the article, we will see the new 6th RS generation to have the best low lights sensitivity thus much wider DR. We expect another 1/2 to 1.5 stops (or maybe more) on top of the whole A7Rii (low and high) iso range.
The part of 100MP is the joke for myself to stay out of MKii upgrade
Re: Sony A7RII DR test at base ISO (compared to A7R)
justruss wrote: mttran wrote:
Read the summary of 4th (A7R), 5th (A7Rii) and 6th (A7Riii/Axxx?) generation model if you want to know the different architecture between FSI EXMOR, BSI EXMOR R and BSI EXMOR RS versions. Pay attention on deeper pixel well to raise the DR of the 4th generation and whatever missing on the 5th which to be filled in by the 6th generation in near future: http://www.framos.com/en/news/news/single-view/article/what-is-sonys-technology-anyway.html
We don\'t expect much differences on low iso range but lot of DR improvement on higher end based on BSI structure.
I think you\'re reading this incorrectly, or at least predicting the future incorrectly.
My understanding is that the RS sensor will allow for more resolution scaling without reducing DR... or maaaaybe better DR scaling without reducing resolution. So it will more or less follow the pattern from the A7r -> A7r2 (but a bigger resolution jump possible). If Sony continues down the A7s/A7r split route, we might get an A7r3 that has similar DR to the current model, but with an 60-80mp sensor, and an A7s with a 24-36mp sensor with maybe a stop better DR than the current model.
What I don\'t expect-- if we see this in the next 24 months-- is to get an 80-100mp model, in 135-format size, usingTHIS tech to expand DR by much. That\'s pie in the sky-- or a handful of generations down the line, or some other technology-- stuff.
All of this at base ISO, of course. I expect that Sony may push it\'s high ISO DR more towards the potential shown in its base ISO... just like they did with the A7s and A7r2...
This first BSI sensor was based on the 3th generation which lack of some key features of the 4th (A7R) generation upgrade. Even with that oldier configuration this 5th generation BSI structure still work really well compared to A7R without the help of deeper pixel well. I believe that is what the article said. After their retrofits from the 4th generation plus some side works, we will see the new 6th generation RS version to have the best low lights sensitivity thus wider DR. We expect another 1/2 to 1.5 stops (or maybe more) on top of the whole A7Rii (low and high) iso range.
The part of 100MP is the joke for myself to stay out of MKii upgrade
Re: Sony A7RII DR test at base ISO (compared to A7R)
justruss wrote: mttran wrote:
Read the summary of 4th (A7R), 5th (A7Rii) and 6th (A7Riii/Axxx?) generation model if you want to know the different architecture between FSI EXMOR, BSI EXMOR R and BSI EXMOR RS versions. Pay attention on deeper pixel well to raise the DR of the 4th generation and whatever missing on the 5th which to be filled in by the 6th generation in near future: http://www.framos.com/en/news/news/single-view/article/what-is-sonys-technology-anyway.html
We don\'t expect much differences on low iso range but lot of DR improvement on higher end based on BSI structure.
I think you\'re reading this incorrectly, or at least predicting the future incorrectly.
My understanding is that the RS sensor will allow for more resolution scaling without reducing DR... or maaaaybe better DR scaling without reducing resolution. So it will more or less follow the pattern from the A7r -> A7r2 (but a bigger resolution jump possible). If Sony continues down the A7s/A7r split route, we might get an A7r3 that has similar DR to the current model, but with an 60-80mp sensor, and an A7s with a 24-36mp sensor with maybe a stop better DR than the current model.
What I don\'t expect-- if we see this in the next 24 months-- is to get an 80-100mp model, in 135-format size, usingTHIS tech to expand DR by much. That\'s pie in the sky-- or a handful of generations down the line, or some other technology-- stuff.
All of this at base ISO, of course. I expect that Sony may push it\'s high ISO DR more towards the potential shown in its base ISO... just like they did with the A7s and A7r2...
This first BSI sensor was based on the 3th generation which lack of some key features of the 4th (A7R) generation upgrade. Even with that oldier configuration this 5th generation BSI structure still work really well compared to A7R without the help of deeper pixel well. I believe that is what the article said. After their retrofits from the 4th generation plus some side works, we will see the new 6th generation RS version having the best low lights sensitivity thus wider DR. We expect another 1/2 to 1.5 stops (or maybe more) on top of the whole A7Rii (low and high) iso range.
The part of 100MP is the joke for myself to stay out of MKii upgrade
Re: Sony A7RII DR test at base ISO (compared to A7R)
justruss wrote: mttran wrote:
Read the summary of 4th (A7R), 5th (A7Rii) and 6th (A7Riii/Axxx?) generation model if you want to know the different architecture between FSI EXMOR, BSI EXMOR R and BSI EXMOR RS versions. Pay attention on deeper pixel well to raise the DR of the 4th generation and whatever missing on the 5th which to be filled in by the 6th generation in near future: http://www.framos.com/en/news/news/single-view/article/what-is-sonys-technology-anyway.html
We don\'t expect much differences on low iso range but lot of DR improvement on higher end based on BSI structure.
I think you\'re reading this incorrectly, or at least predicting the future incorrectly.
My understanding is that the RS sensor will allow for more resolution scaling without reducing DR... or maaaaybe better DR scaling without reducing resolution. So it will more or less follow the pattern from the A7r -> A7r2 (but a bigger resolution jump possible). If Sony continues down the A7s/A7r split route, we might get an A7r3 that has similar DR to the current model, but with an 60-80mp sensor, and an A7s with a 24-36mp sensor with maybe a stop better DR than the current model.
What I don\'t expect-- if we see this in the next 24 months-- is to get an 80-100mp model, in 135-format size, usingTHIS tech to expand DR by much. That\'s pie in the sky-- or a handful of generations down the line, or some other technology-- stuff.
All of this at base ISO, of course. I expect that Sony may push it\'s high ISO DR more towards the potential shown in its base ISO... just like they did with the A7s and A7r2...
This first BSI sensor was based on the 3th generation which lack of some key features of the 4th (A7R) generation upgrade. Even with that oldier configuration this 5th generation BSI structure still work really well compared to A7R without the help of deeper pixel well. I believe that is what the article said. After the 4th generation retrofit into the 6th generation plus some side works, we will see the new RS version having the best low lights sensitivity thus wider DR later on. We expect another 1/2 to 1.5 stops (or maybe more) on top of the whole A7Rii (low and high) iso range.
The part of 100MP is the joke for myself to stay out of MKii upgrade
Re: Sony A7RII DR test at base ISO (compared to A7R)
justruss wrote: mttran wrote:
Read the summary of 4th (A7R), 5th (A7Rii) and 6th (A7Riii/Axxx?) generation model if you want to know the different architecture between FSI EXMOR, BSI EXMOR R and BSI EXMOR RS versions. Pay attention on deeper pixel well to raise the DR of the 4th generation and whatever missing on the 5th which to be filled in by the 6th generation in near future: http://www.framos.com/en/news/news/single-view/article/what-is-sonys-technology-anyway.html
We don\'t expect much differences on low iso range but lot of DR improvement on higher end based on BSI structure.
I think you\'re reading this incorrectly, or at least predicting the future incorrectly.
My understanding is that the RS sensor will allow for more resolution scaling without reducing DR... or maaaaybe better DR scaling without reducing resolution. So it will more or less follow the pattern from the A7r -> A7r2 (but a bigger resolution jump possible). If Sony continues down the A7s/A7r split route, we might get an A7r3 that has similar DR to the current model, but with an 60-80mp sensor, and an A7s with a 24-36mp sensor with maybe a stop better DR than the current model.
What I don\'t expect-- if we see this in the next 24 months-- is to get an 80-100mp model, in 135-format size, usingTHIS tech to expand DR by much. That\'s pie in the sky-- or a handful of generations down the line, or some other technology-- stuff.
All of this at base ISO, of course. I expect that Sony may push it\'s high ISO DR more towards the potential shown in its base ISO... just like they did with the A7s and A7r2...
This first BSI sensor was based on the 3th generation which lack of some key features of the 4th (A7R) generation upgrade. Even with that lowly configuration this 5th generation BSI structure still work really well compared to A7R without the help of deeper pixel well. I believe that is what the article said. After the 4th generation retrofit into the 6th generation plus some side works, we will see the new RS version having the best low lights sensitivity thus wider DR later on. We expect another 1/2 to 1.5 stops (or maybe more) on top of the whole A7Rii (low and high) iso range.
The part of 100MP is the joke for myself to stay out of MKii upgrade
Re: Sony A7RII DR test at base ISO (compared to A7R)
justruss wrote: mttran wrote:
Read the summary of 4th (A7R), 5th (A7Rii) and 6th (A7Riii/Axxx?) generation model if you want to know the different architecture between FSI EXMOR, BSI EXMOR R and BSI EXMOR RS versions. Pay attention on deeper pixel well to raise the DR of the 4th generation and whatever missing on the 5th which to be filled in by the 6th generation in near future: http://www.framos.com/en/news/news/single-view/article/what-is-sonys-technology-anyway.html
We don\'t expect much differences on low iso range but lot of DR improvement on higher end based on BSI structure.
I think you\'re reading this incorrectly, or at least predicting the future incorrectly.
My understanding is that the RS sensor will allow for more resolution scaling without reducing DR... or maaaaybe better DR scaling without reducing resolution. So it will more or less follow the pattern from the A7r -> A7r2 (but a bigger resolution jump possible). If Sony continues down the A7s/A7r split route, we might get an A7r3 that has similar DR to the current model, but with an 60-80mp sensor, and an A7s with a 24-36mp sensor with maybe a stop better DR than the current model.
What I don\'t expect-- if we see this in the next 24 months-- is to get an 80-100mp model, in 135-format size, usingTHIS tech to expand DR by much. That\'s pie in the sky-- or a handful of generations down the line, or some other technology-- stuff.
All of this at base ISO, of course. I expect that Sony may push it\'s high ISO DR more towards the potential shown in its base ISO... just like they did with the A7s and A7r2...
This first BSI sensor was based on the 3th generation which lack of some key features of the 4th (A7R) generation upgrade. Even with that lowly configuration this 5th generation BSI structure still work really well compared to A7R without the help of deeper pixel well. I believe that is what the article said. After the 4th generation retrofit into the 6th generation plus some side works, we will see the new RS version have the best low lights sensitivity thus wider DR. We expect another 1/2 to 1.5 stops (or maybe more) on top of the whole A7Rii (low and high) iso range.
The part of 100MP is the joke for myself to stay out of MKii upgrade
Re: Sony A7RII DR test at base ISO (compared to A7R)
justruss wrote: mttran wrote:
Read the summary of 4th (A7R), 5th (A7Rii) and 6th (A7Riii/Axxx?) generation model if you want to know the different architecture between FSI EXMOR, BSI EXMOR R and BSI EXMOR RS versions. Pay attention on deeper pixel well to raise the DR of the 4th generation and whatever missing on the 5th which to be filled in by the 6th generation in near future: http://www.framos.com/en/news/news/single-view/article/what-is-sonys-technology-anyway.html
We don\'t expect much differences on low iso range but lot of DR improvement on higher end based on BSI structure.
I think you\'re reading this incorrectly, or at least predicting the future incorrectly.
My understanding is that the RS sensor will allow for more resolution scaling without reducing DR... or maaaaybe better DR scaling without reducing resolution. So it will more or less follow the pattern from the A7r -> A7r2 (but a bigger resolution jump possible). If Sony continues down the A7s/A7r split route, we might get an A7r3 that has similar DR to the current model, but with an 60-80mp sensor, and an A7s with a 24-36mp sensor with maybe a stop better DR than the current model.
What I don\'t expect-- if we see this in the next 24 months-- is to get an 80-100mp model, in 135-format size, usingTHIS tech to expand DR by much. That\'s pie in the sky-- or a handful of generations down the line, or some other technology-- stuff.
All of this at base ISO, of course. I expect that Sony may push it\'s high ISO DR more towards the potential shown in its base ISO... just like they did with the A7s and A7r2...
This first BSI sensor was based on the 3th generation which lack of some key features of the 4th (A7R) generation upgrade. Even with that lowly configuration this 5th generation BSI structure still work really well compared to A7R without the help of deeper pixel well. I believe that is what the article said. After the 4th generation retrofit into the 6th generation plus some side works, we will see the new RS version have the best low lights sensitivity thus wider DR. We expect another 1/2 to 1.5 stops on top of the whole A7Rii (low and high) iso range.
The part of 100MP is the joke for myself to stay out of MKii upgrade
Re: Sony A7RII DR test at base ISO (compared to A7R)
justruss wrote: mttran wrote:
Read the summary of 4th (A7R), 5th (A7Rii) and 6th (A7Riii/Axxx?) generation model if you want to know the different architecture between FSI EXMOR, BSI EXMOR R and BSI EXMOR RS versions. Pay attention on deeper pixel well to raise the DR of the 4th generation and whatever missing on the 5th which to be filled in by the 6th generation in near future: http://www.framos.com/en/news/news/single-view/article/what-is-sonys-technology-anyway.html
We don\'t expect much differences on low iso range but lot of DR improvement on higher end based on BSI structure.
I think you\'re reading this incorrectly, or at least predicting the future incorrectly.
My understanding is that the RS sensor will allow for more resolution scaling without reducing DR... or maaaaybe better DR scaling without reducing resolution. So it will more or less follow the pattern from the A7r -> A7r2 (but a bigger resolution jump possible). If Sony continues down the A7s/A7r split route, we might get an A7r3 that has similar DR to the current model, but with an 60-80mp sensor, and an A7s with a 24-36mp sensor with maybe a stop better DR than the current model.
What I don\'t expect-- if we see this in the next 24 months-- is to get an 80-100mp model, in 135-format size, usingTHIS tech to expand DR by much. That\'s pie in the sky-- or a handful of generations down the line, or some other technology-- stuff.
All of this at base ISO, of course. I expect that Sony may push it\'s high ISO DR more towards the potential shown in its base ISO... just like they did with the A7s and A7r2...
This first BSI sensor was based on the 3th generation which lack of some key features of the 4th (A7R) generation upgrade. Even with that lowly configuration this 5th generation BSI structure still work really well compared to A7R without the help of deeper pixel well. I believe that is what the article said. After the 4th generation retrofit into the 6th generation, we will see the new RS version have the best low lights sensitivity thus wider DR. We expect another 1/2 to 1.5 stops on top of the whole A7Rii (low and high) iso range.
The part of 100MP is the joke for myself to stay out of MKii upgrade
Re: Sony A7RII DR test at base ISO (compared to A7R)
justruss wrote: mttran wrote:
Read the summary of 4th (A7R), 5th (A7Rii) and 6th (A7Riii/Axxx?) generation model if you want to know the different architecture between FSI EXMOR, BSI EXMOR R and BSI EXMOR RS versions. Pay attention on deeper pixel well to raise the DR of the 4th generation and whatever missing on the 5th which to be filled in by the 6th generation in near future: http://www.framos.com/en/news/news/single-view/article/what-is-sonys-technology-anyway.html
We don\'t expect much differences on low iso range but lot of DR improvement on higher end based on BSI structure.
I think you\'re reading this incorrectly, or at least predicting the future incorrectly.
My understanding is that the RS sensor will allow for more resolution scaling without reducing DR... or maaaaybe better DR scaling without reducing resolution. So it will more or less follow the pattern from the A7r -> A7r2 (but a bigger resolution jump possible). If Sony continues down the A7s/A7r split route, we might get an A7r3 that has similar DR to the current model, but with an 60-80mp sensor, and an A7s with a 24-36mp sensor with maybe a stop better DR than the current model.
What I don\'t expect-- if we see this in the next 24 months-- is to get an 80-100mp model, in 135-format size, usingTHIS tech to expand DR by much. That\'s pie in the sky-- or a handful of generations down the line, or some other technology-- stuff.
All of this at base ISO, of course. I expect that Sony may push it\'s high ISO DR more towards the potential shown in its base ISO... just like they did with the A7s and A7r2...
This first BSI sensor was based on the 3th generation which lack of some of key features of the 4th (A7R) generation upgrade. Even with that lowly configuration this BSI structure still work really well compared to A7R without the help of deeper pixel well. I believe that is what the article said. After the 4th generation retrofit into the 6th generation, we will see the new RS version have the best low lights sensitivity thus wider DR. We expect another 1/2 to 1.5 stops on top of the whole A7Rii (low and high) iso range.
The part of 100MP is the joke for myself to stay out of MKii upgrade
Re: Sony A7RII DR test at base ISO (compared to A7R)
justruss wrote: mttran wrote:
Read the summary of 4th (A7R), 5th (A7Rii) and 6th (A7Riii/Axxx?) generation model if you want to know the different architecture between FSI EXMOR, BSI EXMOR R and BSI EXMOR RS versions. Pay attention on deeper pixel well to raise the DR of the 4th generation and whatever missing on the 5th which to be filled in by the 6th generation in near future: http://www.framos.com/en/news/news/single-view/article/what-is-sonys-technology-anyway.html
We don\'t expect much differences on low iso range but lot of DR improvement on higher end based on BSI structure.
I think you\'re reading this incorrectly, or at least predicting the future incorrectly.
My understanding is that the RS sensor will allow for more resolution scaling without reducing DR... or maaaaybe better DR scaling without reducing resolution. So it will more or less follow the pattern from the A7r -> A7r2 (but a bigger resolution jump possible). If Sony continues down the A7s/A7r split route, we might get an A7r3 that has similar DR to the current model, but with an 60-80mp sensor, and an A7s with a 24-36mp sensor with maybe a stop better DR than the current model.
What I don\'t expect-- if we see this in the next 24 months-- is to get an 80-100mp model, in 135-format size, usingTHIS tech to expand DR by much. That\'s pie in the sky-- or a handful of generations down the line, or some other technology-- stuff.
All of this at base ISO, of course. I expect that Sony may push it\'s high ISO DR more towards the potential shown in its base ISO... just like they did with the A7s and A7r2...
This first BSI sensor was based on the 3th generation which lack of some of key features of the 4th (A7R) generation upgrade. Even with that lowly configuration this BSI structure still work really well compared to A7R without the help of deeper pixel well. I believe the article said, after the 4th generation retrofit into the 6th generation; The new RS version will have the best low lights sensitivity thus wider DR. We expect another 1/2 to 1.5 stops on top of the whole A7Rii (low and high) iso range.
The part of 100MP is the joke for myself to stay out of MKii upgrade
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