Hi ,
I recently purchased a Phottix Mitros+ Flash to add to my 2 x 580 EXii\'s, a 430 Ex units and to combine with my Odin Trigger system. I have been using the Odins for about 9 months and have been impressed with their reliability and function when paired with the Canon Flash units. In fact very impressed given their price relative to the Canon 600 RX RT alternative !... and still am.
Initially when I included the Mitros+ into the mix , everything seemed to work very well until I started taking a little more notice. I started to find the Mitros+ light was stronger than the 580\'s when used with remote ttl control to set levels whilst having the flash mode set to manual via the Odin TCU. This was not an issue in itself , but the relative strength was not consistent across the power range. In Particular the 1/2 power on the Mitros+ was significantly higher than the 580 Exii , all other things constant.
Anyway to cut a long story short I also recently bought a Sekonic L-308s Flash Meter, so I decided to do a side by side test of the Mitros+ V 580EXii across a number of control/triggering scenarios across the power range as follows:-
Tests of Mitros +
a) Controlled and triggered by external Odin TCU using internal Odin RX
b) Controlled and triggered by external Odin TCU using External Odin RX
c) Controlled and triggered by Camera hotshoe and Menus
d) Controlled and triggered Manually
Results for c & d were identical
Tests of CANON 580EXII
a) Controlled and triggered by external Odin TCU using External Odin RX
b) Controlled and triggered by a Mitros+ internal Odin TX using External Odin RX
c) Controlled and triggered by Camera hotshoe and Menus
d) Controlled and triggered Manually
Again Results for c & d identical
In Summary the results show the following:
CANON FLASH
Canon Flash 580 EX iis consistently deliver results in line with expectation whereby Test results consistently show a 1 stop change in aperture (+/- 1/10th stop) for every halving/doubling of power (all other factors constant). They do this regardless of whether they are controlled or triggered by
a) EXTERNAL Odin TCU and Receiver
b) Mitros + internal Odin TX and external Odin Receiver
c) Camera Hotshoe and Menus
d) Manually
The Total Stop Range across the full power range from Full to 1/128 is between 6.9 and 7.1 stops or 7.0 Stops +/- 1/10th
MITROS + FLASH
Phottix MITROS+ Flash units consistently deliver results in line with expectation whereby Test results consistently show a 1 stop change in aperture (+/- 1/10th stop) for every halving/doubling of power (all other factors constant) ONLY when the Flash is controlled and triggered as follows:
a) Manually
b) Camera Hotshoe and Menus
The Total Stop Range across the full power range from Full to 1/128 is 6.9 stops
HOWEVER When the Phottix Mitros+ is used with either external Odin TX/RX , Internal RX/TX or a mixture of both, the results delivered are variable, non linear and inconsistent. A halving of power via the settings will produce an actual output which calls for a change in aperture between 0.6 and 1.2 stops. Additionally changing the power setting from Full to 1/2 registers a reading of only 0.2 stops .
As a consequence the Total Stop Range across the power range for these two control/trigger methods is between 5.5 stops ( external RX) and 5.8 stops (internal RX).
The ruff cut adjustment you need to make if using with ttl control and manual settings via the TX/TCU is to see setting of 1/4 power as 1/2 power in reality , a setting of 1/8 power as 1/4 power in reality etc. You would also see settings of 1/1 and 1/2 as essentially the same at full power.
This is not a \"train wreck\"….But its not that good either considering the Mitros is not exactly cheap.
Lets Just hope PHOTTIX CAN FIX VIA FIRMWARE and not release a Mkii. I am not sure I would “stump up” for another Mitros+ after the first experience if the Mki is not fixed!
CONCLUSIONS
THE GOOD NEWS
A) Stand alone Odin trigger system works consistently with Canon flashes
B) Mitros+ internal TX system works well with external Odin Receivers and Canon Flash Units
C) Mitros+ works consistently when controlled/triggered Manually
D) Mitros+ works consistently when controlled/triggered by camera hotshoe and menus.
THE BAD NEWS :-(
E) Mitros + internal TTL control system works inconsistently with external Odin TCU regardless of whether it is using internal or external Odin RX units.
It is becoming clear ,I think (?) , that the problem is within the internal Odin TX/RX interplay and/or the interplay between the internal RX and External TCU. That said the problem is within the Mitros+ and not the external ODIN TCU as the system works flawlessly when coupled to canon units.
What would be good is whether someone with two Mitros+ units could test using a light meter and a similar methodology to the one I used …Any takers?
Happy to send detailed results/ readings and setup to anyone interested but setup was
Flash fixed on tripod
Meter fixed on Light Stand.
Distance between Meter and Flash 3 meters.
Height of Lumisphere set at centre of flash head
Incident Metering method used with Shutter speed priority constant at 1/60 and Flash Zoom at 50mm.
Sekonic L 308-s Metering mode was Cordless flash, Incident.
Ambient Light consistent between 3.6 and 3.8 EV as measured by Sekonic.
Hi ,
I recently purchased a Phottix Mitros+ Flash to add to my 2 x 580 EXii\'s, a 430 Ex units and to combine with my Odin Trigger system. I have been using the Odins for about 9 months and have been impressed with their reliability and function when paired with the Canon Flash units. In fact very impressed given their price relative to the Canon 600 RX RT alternative !... and still am.
Initially when I included the Mitros+ into the mix , everything seemed to work very well until I started taking a little more notice. I started to find the Mitros+ light was stronger than the 580\'s when used with remote ttl control to set levels whilst having the flash mode set to manual via the Odin TCU. This was not an issue in itself , but the relative strength was not consistent across the power range. In Particular the 1/2 power on the Mitros+ was significantly higher than the 580 Exii , all other things constant.
Anyway to cut a long story short I also recently bought a Sekonic L-308s Flash Meter, so I decided to do a side by side test of the Mitros+ V 580EXii across a number of control/triggering scenarios across the power range as follows:-
Tests of Mitros +
a) Controlled and triggered by external Odin TCU using internal Odin RX
b) Controlled and triggered by external Odin TCU using External Odin RX
c) Controlled and triggered by Camera hotshoe and Menus
d) Controlled and triggered Manually
Results for c & d were identical
Tests of CANON 580EXII
a) Controlled and triggered by external Odin TCU using External Odin RX
b) Controlled and triggered by a Mitros+ internal Odin TX using External Odin RX
c) Controlled and triggered by Camera hotshoe and Menus
d) Controlled and triggered Manually
Again Results for c & d identical
In Summary the results show the following:
CANON FLASH
Canon Flash 580 EX iis consistently deliver results in line with expectation whereby Test results consistently show a 1 stop change in aperture (+/- 1/10th stop) for every halving/doubling of power (all other factors constant). They do this regardless of whether they are controlled or triggered by
a) EXTERNAL Odin TCU and Receiver
b) Mitros + internal Odin TX and external Odin Receiver
c) Camera Hotshoe and Menus
d) Manually
The Total Stop Range across the full power range from Full to 1/128 is between 6.9 and 7.1 stops or 7.0 Stops +/- 1/10th
MITROS + FLASH
Phottix MITROS+ Flash units consistently deliver results in line with expectation whereby Test results consistently show a 1 stop change in aperture (+/- 1/10th stop) for every halving/doubling of power (all other factors constant) ONLY when the Flash is controlled and triggered as follows:
a) Manually
b) Camera Hotshoe and Menus
The Total Stop Range across the full power range from Full to 1/128 is 6.9 stops
HOWEVER When the Phottix Mitros+ is used with either external Odin TX/RX , Internal RX/TX or a mixture of both, the results delivered are variable, non linear and inconsistent. A halving of power via the settings will produce an actual output which calls for a change in aperture between 0.6 and 1.2 stops. Additionally changing the power setting from Full to 1/2 registers a reading of only 0.2 stops .
As a consequence the Total Stop Range across the power range for these two control/trigger methods is between 5.5 stops ( external RX) and 5.8 stops (internal RX).
The ruff cut adjustment you need to make if using with ttl control and manual settings via the TX/TCU is to see setting of 1/4 power as 1/2 power in reality , a setting of 1/8 power as 1/4 power in reality etc. You would also see settings of 1/1 and 1/2 as essentially the same at full power.
This is not a \"train wreck\"….But its not that good either considering the Mitros is not exactly cheap.
Lets Just hope PHOTTIX CAN FIX VIA FIRMWARE and not release a Mkii. I am not sure I would “stump up” for another Mitros+ after the first experience if the Mki is not fixed!
CONCLUSIONS
THE GOOD NEWS
A) Stand alone Odin trigger system works consistently with Canon flashes
B) Mitros+ internal TX system works well with external Odin Receivers and Canon Flash Units
C) Mitros+ works consistently when controlled/triggered Manually
D) Mitros+ works consistently when controlled/triggered by camera hotshoe and menus.
THE BAD NEWS :-(
E) Mitros + internal TTL control system works inconsistently with external Odin TCU regardless of whether it is using internal or external Odin RX units.
It is becoming clear ,I think (?) , that the problem is within the internal Odin TX/RX interplay and/or the interplay between the internal RX and External TCU. That said the problem is within the Mitros+ and not the external ODIN TCU as the system works flawlessly when coupled to canon units.
What would be good is whether someone with two Mitros+ units could test using a light meter and a similar methodology to the one I used …Any takers?
Happy to send detailed results/ readings and setup to anyone interested but setup was
Flash fixed on tripod
Meter fixed on Light Stand.
Distance between Meter and Flash 3 meters.
Height of Lumisphere set at centre of flash head
Incident Metering method used with Shutter speed priority constant at 1/60 and Flash Zoom at 50mm.
Sekonic L 308-s Metering mode was Cordless flash, Incident.
Ambient Light consistent between 3.6 and 3.8 EV as measured by Sekonic.
Hi ,
I recently purchased a Phottix Mitros+ Flash to add to my 2 x 580 EXii\'s, a 430 Ex units and to combine with my Odin Trigger system. I have been using the Odins for about 9 months and have been impressed with their reliability and function when paired with the Canon Flash units. In fact very impressed given their price relative to the Canon 600 RX RT alternative !... and still am.
Initially when I included the Mitros+ into the mix , everything seemed to work very well until I started taking a little more notice. I started to find the Mitros+ light was stronger than the 580\'s when used with remote ttl control to set levels whilst having the flash mode set to manual via the Odin TCU. This was not an issue in itself , but the relative strength was not consistent across the power range. In Particular the 1/2 power on the Mitros+ was significantly higher than the 580 Exii , all other things constant.
Anyway to cut a long story short I also recently bought a Sekonic L-308s Flash Meter, so I decided to do a side by side test of the Mitros+ V 580EXii across a number of control/triggering scenarios across the power range as follows:-
Tests of Mitros +
a) Controlled and triggered by external Odin TCU using internal Odin RX
b) Controlled and triggered by external Odin TCU using External Odin RX
c) Controlled and triggered by Camera hotshoe and Menus
d) Controlled and triggered Manually
Results for c & d were identical
Tests of CANON 580EXII
a) Controlled and triggered by external Odin TCU using External Odin RX
b) Controlled and triggered by a Mitros+ internal Odin TX using External Odin RX
c) Controlled and triggered by Camera hotshoe and Menus
d) Controlled and triggered Manually
Again Results for c & d identical
In Summary the results show the following:
CANON FLASH
Canon Flash 580 EX iis consistently deliver results in line with expectation whereby Test results consistently show a 1 stop change in aperture (+/- 1/10th stop) for every halving/doubling of power (all other factors constant). They do this regardless of whether they are controlled or triggered by
a) EXTERNAL Odin TCU and Receiver
b) Mitros + internal Odin TX and external Odin Receiver
c) Camera Hotshoe and Menus
d) Manually
The Total Stop Range across the full power range from Full to 1/128 is between 6.9 and 7.1 stops or 7.0 Stops +/- 1/10th
MITROS + FLASH
Phottix MITROS+ Flash units consistently deliver results in line with expectation whereby Test results consistently show a 1 stop change in aperture (+/- 1/10th stop) for every halving/doubling of power (all other factors constant) ONLY when the Flash is controlled and triggered as follows:
a) Manually
b) Camera Hotshoe and Menus
The Total Stop Range across the full power range from Full to 1/128 is 6.9 stops
HOWEVER When the Phottix Mitros+ is used with either external Odin TX/RX , Internal RX/TX or a mixture of both, the results delivered are variable, non linear and inconsistent. A halving of power via the settings will produce an actual output which calls for a change in aperture between 0.6 and 1.2 stops. Additionally changing the power setting from Full to 1/2 registers a reading of only 0.2 stops .
As a consequence the Total Stop Range across the power range for these two control/trigger methods is between 5.5 stops ( external RX) and 5.8 stops (internal RX).
The ruff cut adjustment you need to make if using with ttl control and manual settings via the TX/TCU is to see setting of 1/4 power as 1/2 power in reality , a setting of 1/8 power as 1/4 power in reality etc. You would also see settings of 1/1 and 1/2 as essentially the same at full power.
This is not a \"train wreck\"….But its not that good either considering the Mitros is not exactly cheap.
Lets Just hope PHOTTIX CAN FIX VIA FIRMWARE and not release a Mkii. I am not sure I would “stump up” for another Mitros+ after the first experience if the Mki is not fixed!
CONCLUSIONS
THE GOOD NEWS
A) Stand alone Odin trigger system works consistently with Canon flashes
B) Mitros+ internal TX system works well with external Odin Receivers and Canon Flash Units
C) Mitros+ works consistently when controlled/triggered Manually
D) Mitros+ works consistently when controlled/triggered by camera hotshoe and menus.
THE BAD NEWS :-(
E) Mitros + internal TTL control system works inconsistently with external Odin TCU regardless of whether it is using internal or external Odin RX units.
It is becoming clear ,I think (?) , that the problem is within the internal Odin TX/RX interplay and/or the interplay between the internal RX and External TCU. That said the problem is within the Mitros+ and not the external ODIN TCU as the system works flawlessly when coupled to canon units.
What would be good is whether someone with two Mitros+ units could test using a light meter and a similar methodology to the one I used …Any takers?
Happy to send detailed results/ readings and setup to anyone interested but setup was
Flash fixed on tripod
Meter fixed on Light Stand.
Distance between Meter and Flash 3 meters.
Height of Lumisphere set at centre of flash head
Incident Metering method used with Shutter speed priority constant at 1/60 and Flash Zoom at 50mm.
Sekonic L 308-s Metering mode was Cordless flash, Incident.
Ambient Light consistent between 3.6 and 3.8 EV as measured by Sekonic.
Hi ,
I recently purchased a Phottix Mitros+ Flash to add to my 2 x 580 EXii\'s, a 430 Ex units and to combine with my Odin Trigger system. I have been using the Odins for about 9 months and have been impressed with their reliability and function when paired with the Canon Flash units. In fact very impressed given their price relative to the Canon 600 RX RT alternative !... and still am.
Initially when Iincluded the Mitros+, everything seemed to work very well until I started taking a little more notice. I started to find the Mitros+ light was stronger than the 580\'s when used with remote ttl control to set levels whilst having the flash mode set to manual via the Odin TCU. This relative strength however was not consistent across the power range but 1/2 power on the Mitros+ was significantly higher than the 580 Exii , all other things constant
Anyway to cut a long story short I also recently bought a Sekonic L-308s Flash Meter, so I decided to do a side by side test of the Mitros+ V 580EXii across a number of control/triggering scenarios across the power range as follows:-
Tests of Mitros +
a) Controlled and triggered by external Odin TCU using internal Odin RX
b) Controlled and triggered by external Odin TCU using External Odin RX
c) Controlled and triggered by Camera hotshoe and Menus
d) Controlled and triggered Manually
Results for c & d were identical
Tests of CANON 580EXII
a) Controlled and triggered by external Odin TCU using External Odin RX
b) Controlled and triggered by a Mitros+ internal Odin TX using External Odin RX
c) Controlled and triggered by Camera hotshoe and Menus
d) Controlled and triggered Manually
Again Results for c & d identical
In Summary the results show the following:
CANON FLASH
Canon Flash 580 EX iis consistently deliver results in line with expectation whereby Test results consistently show a 1 stop change in aperture (+/- 1/10th stop) for every halving/doubling of power (all other factors constant). They do this regardless of whether they are controlled or triggered by
a) EXTERNAL Odin TCU and Receiver
b) Mitros + internal Odin TX and external Odin Receiver
c) Camera Hotshoe and Menus
d) Manually
The Total Stop Range across the full power range from Full to 1/128 is between 6.9 and 7.1 stops or 7.0 Stops +/- 1/10th
MITROS + FLASH
Phottix MITROS+ Flash units consistently deliver results in line with expectation whereby Test results consistently show a 1 stop change in aperture (+/- 1/10th stop) for every halving/doubling of power (all other factors constant) ONLY when the Flash is controlled and triggered as follows:
a) Manually
b) Camera Hotshoe and Menus
The Total Stop Range across the full power range from Full to 1/128 is 6.9 stops
HOWEVER When the Phottix Mitros+ is used with either external Odin TX/RX , Internal RX/TX or a mixture of both, the results delivered are variable, non linear and inconsistent. A halving of power via the settings will produce an actual output which calls for a change in aperture between 0.6 and 1.2 stops. Additionally changing the power setting from Full to 1/2 registers a reading of only 0.2 stops .
As a consequence the Total Stop Range across the power range for these two control/trigger methods is between 5.5 stops ( external RX) and 5.8 stops (internal RX).
The ruff cut adjustment you need to make if using with ttl control and manual settings via the TX/TCU is to see setting of 1/4 power as 1/2 power in reality , a setting of 1/8 power as 1/4 power in reality etc. You would also see settings of 1/1 and 1/2 as essentially the same at full power.
This is not a \"train wreck\"….But its not that good either considering the Mitros is not exactly cheap.
Lets Just hope PHOTTIX CAN FIX VIA FIRMWARE and not release a Mkii. I am not sure I would “stump up” for another Mitros+ after the first experience if the Mki is not fixed!
CONCLUSIONS
THE GOOD NEWS
A) Stand alone Odin trigger system works consistently with Canon flashes
B) Mitros+ internal TX system works well with external Odin Receivers and Canon Flash Units
C) Mitros+ works consistently when controlled/triggered Manually
D) Mitros+ works consistently when controlled/triggered by camera hotshoe and menus.
THE BAD NEWS :-(
E) Mitros + internal TTL control system works inconsistently with external Odin TCU regardless of whether it is using internal or external Odin RX units.
It is becoming clear ,I think (?) , that the problem is within the internal Odin TX/RX interplay and/or the interplay between the internal RX and External TCU. That said the problem is within the Mitros+ and not the external ODIN TCU as the system works flawlessly when coupled to canon units.
What would be good is whether someone with two Mitros+ units could test using a light meter and a similar methodology to the one I used …Any takers?
Happy to send detailed results/ readings and setup to anyone interested but setup was
Flash fixed on tripod
Meter fixed on Light Stand.
Distance between Meter and Flash 3 meters.
Height of Lumisphere set at centre of flash head
Incident Metering method used with Shutter speed priority constant at 1/60 and Flash Zoom at 50mm.
Sekonic L 308-s Metering mode was Cordless flash, Incident.
Ambient Light consistent between 3.6 and 3.8 EV as measured by Sekonic.
Aug 20, 2014 at 02:54 AM
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