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sebboh wrote:
uhoh7 wrote:
Very much appreciate the discussion

You guys motivated me to research, and I found the older thread here where Denior explains why he loves the zm 35/2 over the 2.8

He notes wavy curves, but more to my own priorities, he lauds the ZM 35/2 performance stopped down at/near infinity.

That\'s totally crucial to me, and a subject which I\'m surprised is not more often discussed. I\'m learning performance at f/16 varies more than I thought, and is sort of unpredictable. Only since I got my M9 have I realized the 28 cron is really good at f/16

For backcountry landscapes I want max dof on many shots. Light is usually not a problem.

Anyway, I think I\'ll take Denior\'s word for it, and start looking for a zm 35/2. Even if it\'s a bit big


it\'s important to note that the infinity performance of the zm 35/2 seems to come at the cost of pretty crazy bokeh (not in a good way imho). the 35 cron is much better controlled in that aspect (though still a ways behind the rx1).



Hi Sebboh,

TY for chiming in, as I know you love 35 and good 35s.

Funny, you are the first to point this out. more common are comments like:

\"I own a 35mm Summicron (circa 1978), 35mm ASPH Summicron and the 35mm F2 Biogon. The Biogon has become my favorite 35mm lens, simply for its contrast and how it renders out of focus objects, in plain English, bokeh.\"
John Kwok at photo.net

you are telling me the 35/2 bokeh is as bad as the 45 contax G? or our lovely 42mm Pen F lenses?

I have not noticed that yet, but you have good eyes, so I look more

The smaller C biogon seems to be the superior \"people\" lens, and at 2.8 and f/4. folks rave about it. As you know, I like the smaller lenses, so I was really going that way, or 35 cron asph, which has a lot of fans also, until I read denoir:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1067136/0

Over at RFF someone said: \"if you shoot rectangles, go no further.....get the zm35/2\"

I don\'t only shoot them, but I want the option More important is performance at f/16 with foreground objects.

The downside is the lens is apparently not great on the A7, but few RF 35s are.

The comment I hear often about the zm35/2 is the slightly soft wide open performance, which some shooters like when doing portraits.

There are quite a few M9 shooters who rave about the biogon--since the camera came out, which would be kind of funny if the bokeh is really sketchy.

maybe if you get a chance post up some links

best.
Charlie

CV 35/2.5:

L1010821 by unoh7, on Flickr



L1010855 by unoh7, on Flickr


L1010816 by unoh7, on Flickr


L1010840 by unoh7, on Flickr

I first I thought the CV would be fine, but when you look really close, it gets quirky.

the summarit 90 last night @ f/2.8
L1010887 by unoh7, on Flickr



May 11, 2014 at 01:44 PM
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Re: Leica M8/M9/X1 Picture Thread


sebboh wrote:
uhoh7 wrote:
Very much appreciate the discussion

You guys motivated me to research, and I found the older thread here where Denior explains why he loves the zm 35/2 over the 2.8

He notes wavy curves, but more to my own priorities, he lauds the ZM 35/2 performance stopped down at/near infinity.

That\'s totally crucial to me, and a subject which I\'m surprised is not more often discussed. I\'m learning performance at f/16 varies more than I thought, and is sort of unpredictable. Only since I got my M9 have I realized the 28 cron is really good at f/16

For backcountry landscapes I want max dof on many shots. Light is usually not a problem.

Anyway, I think I\'ll take Denior\'s word for it, and start looking for a zm 35/2. Even if it\'s a bit big


it\'s important to note that the infinity performance of the zm 35/2 seems to come at the cost of pretty crazy bokeh (not in a good way imho). the 35 cron is much better controlled in that aspect (though still a ways behind the rx1).



Hi Sebboh,

TY for chiming in, as I know you love 35 and good 35s.

Funny, you are the first to point this out. more common are comments like:

\"I own a 35mm Summicron (circa 1978), 35mm ASPH Summicron and the 35mm F2 Biogon. The Biogon has become my favorite 35mm lens, simply for its contrast and how it renders out of focus objects, in plain English, bokeh.\"
John Kwok at photo.net

you are telling me the 35/2 bokeh is as bad as the 45 contax G? or our lovely 42mm Pen F lenses?

I have not noticed that yet, but you have good eyes, so I look more

The smaller C biogon seems to be the superior \"people\" lens, and at 2.8 and f/4. folks rave about it. As you know, I like the smaller lenses, so I was really going that way, or 35 cron asph, which has a lot of fans also, until I read denoir:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1067136/0

Over at RFF someone said: \"if you shoot rectangles, go no further.....get the zm35/2\"

I don\'t only shoot them, but I want the option More important is performance at f/16 with foreground objects.

The downside is the lens is apparently not great on the A7, but few RF 35s are.

The comment I hear often about the zm35/2 is the slightly soft wide open performance, which some shooters like when doing portraits.

There are quite a few M9 shooters who rave about the biogon--since the camera came out, which would be kind of funny if the bokeh is really sketchy.

maybe if you get a chance post up some links

best.
Charlie

CV 35/2.5:

L1010821 by unoh7, on Flickr



L1010855 by unoh7, on Flickr



May 11, 2014 at 01:41 PM
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Re: Leica M8/M9/X1 Picture Thread


sebboh wrote:
uhoh7 wrote:
Very much appreciate the discussion

You guys motivated me to research, and I found the older thread here where Denior explains why he loves the zm 35/2 over the 2.8

He notes wavy curves, but more to my own priorities, he lauds the ZM 35/2 performance stopped down at/near infinity.

That\'s totally crucial to me, and a subject which I\'m surprised is not more often discussed. I\'m learning performance at f/16 varies more than I thought, and is sort of unpredictable. Only since I got my M9 have I realized the 28 cron is really good at f/16

For backcountry landscapes I want max dof on many shots. Light is usually not a problem.

Anyway, I think I\'ll take Denior\'s word for it, and start looking for a zm 35/2. Even if it\'s a bit big


it\'s important to note that the infinity performance of the zm 35/2 seems to come at the cost of pretty crazy bokeh (not in a good way imho). the 35 cron is much better controlled in that aspect (though still a ways behind the rx1).



Hi Sebboh,

TY for chiming in, as I know you love 35 and good 35s.

Funny, you are the first to point this out. more common are comments like:

\"I own a 35mm Summicron (circa 1978), 35mm ASPH Summicron and the 35mm F2 Biogon. The Biogon has become my favorite 35mm lens, simply for its contrast and how it renders out of focus objects, in plain English, bokeh.\"
John Kwok at photo.net

you are telling me the 35/2 bokeh is as bad as the 45 contax G? or our lovely 42mm Pen F lenses?

I have not noticed that yet, but you have good eyes, so I look more

The smaller C biogon seems to be the superior \"people\" lens, and at 2.8 and f/4. folks rave about it. As you know, I like the smaller lenses, so I was really going that way, or 35 cron asph, which has a lot of fans also, until I read denoir:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1067136/0

Over at RFF someone said: \"if you shoot rectangles, go no further.....get the zm35/2\"

I don\'t only shoot them, but I want the option More important is performance at f/16 with foreground objects.

The downside is the lens is apparently not great on the A7, but few RF 35s are.

The comment I hear often about the zm35/2 is the slightly soft wide open performance, which some shooters like when doing portraits.

There are quite a few M9 shooters who rave about the biogon--since the camera came out, which would be kind of funny if the bokeh is really sketchy.

maybe if you get a chance post up some links

best.
Charlie



May 11, 2014 at 01:24 PM





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