RustyBug wrote:
Being \"not hopeless\" is quite different from being the \"holy grail\" many are/were clamoring for. Realistic expectations @ required/available corrections and tolerances for contending with such seems to be a considerable factor at how folks are assessing the viability of the results.
Imo ... what began as a much anticipated \"quest for the best\" @ utilization of RF excellence on 24x36, has morphed into \"compromise for size\" trying to save face for the love of RF with a little bit of the Emperor\'s Clothes being applied in some instances.
I can\'t say I read every page of this thread, but I can say I never saw anyone claim it was going to be the holy grail for RF wides. The whole point of the thread was to see which ones would work--if any depending on your standards.
The camera is a total gamechanger, no matter what it does with RF wides, so for sure there has been huge excitement. Add to that the descriptions of the sensor tech and it\'s \"gapless\" design--certainly one could hope it might do well.
Then were the very early reports of good performance with the zm18--that got me excited, but I never accepted it as proven. If it is then the idea the A7r doesn\'t work with RF wides is out the window, and those who\'ve declared that to be the case will have chocolate colored toppings on their sensors.
The \"sony fanboy\" who sees the \"holy grail\" is I guess the straw man the mob in here has been beating.
Far as I can tell, this is a fictional character.
But PM me the posts if I have that wrong
I would have guessed the cv 15 might have done better, since it is the sh*t on the 5n, but I certainly never predicted it would or heard anyone else do so. I\'m not sure how bad it is yet, an M8 crop might be possible--but I don\'t own the lens so it doesn\'t matter to me.
If a 15mm crop can be pulled from the CV 12mm it is hardly \"useless\"--again we\'ll have to see on that. The cv21 smearing is no surprise--since it smears a bit on the 5n as well.
I\'m still getting used to the tiny pixels---the 100%s are not on the same bar i don\'t think---it was the same with the nex-7 I always thought. I was never a fan on the nex-7 period--but it\'s a good camera.
The A7r is not a good camera, it\'s a great camera. It will go down in history like the Nikon F. Now we just have to figure out how to use it.
RustyBug wrote:
Being \"not hopeless\" is quite different from being the \"holy grail\" many are/were clamoring for. Realistic expectations @ required/available corrections and tolerances for contending with such seems to be a considerable factor at how folks are assessing the viability of the results.
Imo ... what began as a much anticipated \"quest for the best\" @ utilization of RF excellence on 24x36, has morphed into \"compromise for size\" trying to save face for the love of RF with a little bit of the Emperor\'s Clothes being applied in some instances.
I can\'t say I read every page of this thread, but I can say I never saw anyone claim it was going to be the holy grail for RF wides. The whole point of the thread was to see which ones would work--if any depending on your standards.
The camera is a total gamechanger, no matter what it does with RF wides, so for sure there has been huge excitement. Add to that the descriptions of the sensor tech and it\'s \"gapless\" design--certainly one could hope it might do well.
Then were the very early reports of good performance with the zm18--that got me excited, but I never accepted it as proven. If it is then the idea the A7r doesn\'t work with RF wides is out the window, and those who\'ve declared that to be the case will have chocolate colored toppings on their sensors.
The \"sony fanboy\" who sees the \"holy grail\" is I guess the straw man the mob in here has been beating.
Far as I can tell, this is a fictional character.
But PM me the posts if I have that wrong
I would have guessed the cv 15 might have done better, since it is the sh*t on the 5n, but I certainly never predicted it would or heard anyone else do so.
I\'m not sure how bad it is yet, an M8 crop might be possible--but I don\'t own the lens so it doesn\'t matter to me.
If a 15mm crop can be pulled from the CV 12mm it is hardly \"useless\"--again we\'ll have to see on that.
the cv21 smearing is no surprise--since it smears a bit on the 5n as well.
I\'m still getting used to the tiny pixels---the 100%s are not on the same bar i don\'t think---it was the same with the nex-7 I always thought. I was never a fan on the nex-7 period--but it\'s a good camera.
The A7r is not a good camera, it\'s a great camera. It will go down in history like the Nikon F. Now we just have to figure out how to use it.
RustyBug wrote:
Being \"not hopeless\" is quite different from being the \"holy grail\" many are/were clamoring for. Realistic expectations @ required/available corrections and tolerances for contending with such seems to be a considerable factor at how folks are assessing the viability of the results.
Imo ... what began as a much anticipated \"quest for the best\" @ utilization of RF excellence on 24x36, has morphed into \"compromise for size\" trying to save face for the love of RF with a little bit of the Emperor\'s Clothes being applied in some instances.
I can\'t say I read every page of this thread, but I can say I never saw anyone claim it was going to be the holy grail for RF wides. The whole point of the thread was to see which ones would work--if any depending on your standards.
The camera is a total gamechanger, no matter what it does with RF wides, so for sure there has been huge excitement. Add to that the descriptions of the sensor tech and it\'s \"gapless\" design--certainly one could hope it might do well.
Then were the very early reports of good performance with the zm18--that got me excited, but I never accepted it as proven. If it is then the idea the A7r doesn\'t work with RF wides is out the window, and those who\'ve declared that to be the case will have chocolate colored toppings on their sensors.
The \"sony fanboy\" who sees the \"holy grail\" is I guess the straw man the mob in here has been beating.
Far as I can tell, this is a fictional character.
But PM me the posts if I have that wrong
Nov 16, 2013 at 08:40 PM
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