gschlact wrote:
I am not one to rely on luck. Risk is not the same as luck.
As far as this tournament some extra info / corrections to make:
-- it is Lacrosse
-- it is mid July and I somewhat had a personal commitment so not likely for this year
Some comments for further discussion. Let\'s assume we skip the individual portraits, and in general only consider Pre-arranged / requested team photos (I would not expect many takers since so many clubs have regular T&I). This now leave Action and trophy-T&I. Let\'s assume that even at my proficiency level that my shots are recognized as better by the parents when comparing to their M/DWAC.
-- Bark raises some interesting point that can potentially be neutralized? What do you think:
----- on site printing - I brought up Sams Club being only 1.5 mike away, but in a 3 mile radius as backup there is 3x Walgreens, Costco, Walmart, and Target each with quite capable Fuji printers, and this set double within 7 mile radius all as backup to alleviate the need for own printers.
----- Display stations - dispute that fact that Smart Phone only have 25% market penetration, I would estimate that in the parent demographics attending tournaments Smart Phone ownership is >90%+. So assuming this, could their own phones act as the viewing station for online viewing of the uploaded shots?
-- Decision of shooting on Spec
------- and printing for immediate sale vs on site only order/print/fulfill I would vote on the later using the fact that images will be taken down at the end of tournament for force short term decision. The risk being still that your shooting on spec. Success can be improved by Pre-arranged requests demonstrating interest or even deposit fees to reserve. Is this still to speculative assuming print will only be for purchases? What are thoughts now given above print / display, order only mitigation assumptions?
-- Non Spec options
------- in thinking about this, Trophy T&I would like have higher take rate? Maybe the Tournament Coordinator would even pay for the, as give-away and for a percent of other sales but guarantees some revenue proportionate to photog time.
-------Pre-arranged and deposit received game scheduling for action. Goal $200 reservation per game.
-- New in discussed Question, what kind of shots will make Parents happier when we any action shots?
--------- I know that my focus at games are not journalistic action but more from eye of the parent. In other words, based on the crowd sourcing wisdom here, do you agree parents prefer action with their child isolated from other players vs what we usually rank higher on the forum action with contact or other player in the frame adding to the \'story\' use better for journalism
Guy
I agree with the other comments, you\'re going to encounter parents with cameras who shoot lacrosse games and post free for everyone to share. I\'m one of those !
So be prepared to (not) encounter a gold mine of photo opportunity
e.g.
pic with a cheap Rebel DSLR and \"consumer\" lens distributed free
gschlact wrote:
I am not one to rely on luck. Risk is not the same as luck.
As far as this tournament some extra info / corrections to make:
-- it is Lacrosse
-- it is mid July and I somewhat had a personal commitment so not likely for this year
Some comments for further discussion. Let\'s assume we skip the individual portraits, and in general only consider Pre-arranged / requested team photos (I would not expect many takers since so many clubs have regular T&I). This now leave Action and trophy-T&I. Let\'s assume that even at my proficiency level that my shots are recognized as better by the parents when comparing to their M/DWAC.
-- Bark raises some interesting point that can potentially be neutralized? What do you think:
----- on site printing - I brought up Sams Club being only 1.5 mike away, but in a 3 mile radius as backup there is 3x Walgreens, Costco, Walmart, and Target each with quite capable Fuji printers, and this set double within 7 mile radius all as backup to alleviate the need for own printers.
----- Display stations - dispute that fact that Smart Phone only have 25% market penetration, I would estimate that in the parent demographics attending tournaments Smart Phone ownership is >90%+. So assuming this, could their own phones act as the viewing station for online viewing of the uploaded shots?
-- Decision of shooting on Spec
------- and printing for immediate sale vs on site only order/print/fulfill I would vote on the later using the fact that images will be taken down at the end of tournament for force short term decision. The risk being still that your shooting on spec. Success can be improved by Pre-arranged requests demonstrating interest or even deposit fees to reserve. Is this still to speculative assuming print will only be for purchases? What are thoughts now given above print / display, order only mitigation assumptions?
-- Non Spec options
------- in thinking about this, Trophy T&I would like have higher take rate? Maybe the Tournament Coordinator would even pay for the, as give-away and for a percent of other sales but guarantees some revenue proportionate to photog time.
-------Pre-arranged and deposit received game scheduling for action. Goal $200 reservation per game.
-- New in discussed Question, what kind of shots will make Parents happier when we any action shots?
--------- I know that my focus at games are not journalistic action but more from eye of the parent. In other words, based on the crowd sourcing wisdom here, do you agree parents prefer action with their child isolated from other players vs what we usually rank higher on the forum action with contact or other player in the frame adding to the \'story\' use better for journalism
Guy
I agree with the other comments, you\'re going to encounter parents with cameras who shoot lacrosse games and post free for everyone to share. I\'m one of those !
So be prepared to (not) encounter a gold mine of photo opportunity
e.g.
pic with a cheap Rebel DSLR and \"consumer\" lens distributed free
gschlact wrote:
I am not one to rely on luck. Risk is not the same as luck.
As far as this tournament some extra info / corrections to make:
-- it is Lacrosse
-- it is mid July and I somewhat had a personal commitment so not likely for this year
Some comments for further discussion. Let\'s assume we skip the individual portraits, and in general only consider Pre-arranged / requested team photos (I would not expect many takers since so many clubs have regular T&I). This now leave Action and trophy-T&I. Let\'s assume that even at my proficiency level that my shots are recognized as better by the parents when comparing to their M/DWAC.
-- Bark raises some interesting point that can potentially be neutralized? What do you think:
----- on site printing - I brought up Sams Club being only 1.5 mike away, but in a 3 mile radius as backup there is 3x Walgreens, Costco, Walmart, and Target each with quite capable Fuji printers, and this set double within 7 mile radius all as backup to alleviate the need for own printers.
----- Display stations - dispute that fact that Smart Phone only have 25% market penetration, I would estimate that in the parent demographics attending tournaments Smart Phone ownership is >90%+. So assuming this, could their own phones act as the viewing station for online viewing of the uploaded shots?
-- Decision of shooting on Spec
------- and printing for immediate sale vs on site only order/print/fulfill I would vote on the later using the fact that images will be taken down at the end of tournament for force short term decision. The risk being still that your shooting on spec. Success can be improved by Pre-arranged requests demonstrating interest or even deposit fees to reserve. Is this still to speculative assuming print will only be for purchases? What are thoughts now given above print / display, order only mitigation assumptions?
-- Non Spec options
------- in thinking about this, Trophy T&I would like have higher take rate? Maybe the Tournament Coordinator would even pay for the, as give-away and for a percent of other sales but guarantees some revenue proportionate to photog time.
-------Pre-arranged and deposit received game scheduling for action. Goal $200 reservation per game.
-- New in discussed Question, what kind of shots will make Parents happier when we any action shots?
--------- I know that my focus at games are not journalistic action but more from eye of the parent. In other words, based on the crowd sourcing wisdom here, do you agree parents prefer action with their child isolated from other players vs what we usually rank higher on the forum action with contact or other player in the frame adding to the \'story\' use better for journalism
Guy
I agree with the other comments, you\'re going to encounter parents with cameras who shoot lacrosse games and post free for everyone to share. I\'m one of those !
So be prepared to (not) encounter a gold mine of photo opportunity
e.g.
pic with a cheap Rebel DSLR and \"consumer\" lens distributed free
gschlact wrote:
I am not one to rely on luck. Risk is not the same as luck.
As far as this tournament some extra info / corrections to make:
-- it is Lacrosse
-- it is mid July and I somewhat had a personal commitment so not likely for this year
Some comments for further discussion. Let\'s assume we skip the individual portraits, and in general only consider Pre-arranged / requested team photos (I would not expect many takers since so many clubs have regular T&I). This now leave Action and trophy-T&I. Let\'s assume that even at my proficiency level that my shots are recognized as better by the parents when comparing to their M/DWAC.
-- Bark raises some interesting point that can potentially be neutralized? What do you think:
----- on site printing - I brought up Sams Club being only 1.5 mike away, but in a 3 mile radius as backup there is 3x Walgreens, Costco, Walmart, and Target each with quite capable Fuji printers, and this set double within 7 mile radius all as backup to alleviate the need for own printers.
----- Display stations - dispute that fact that Smart Phone only have 25% market penetration, I would estimate that in the parent demographics attending tournaments Smart Phone ownership is >90%+. So assuming this, could their own phones act as the viewing station for online viewing of the uploaded shots?
-- Decision of shooting on Spec
------- and printing for immediate sale vs on site only order/print/fulfill I would vote on the later using the fact that images will be taken down at the end of tournament for force short term decision. The risk being still that your shooting on spec. Success can be improved by Pre-arranged requests demonstrating interest or even deposit fees to reserve. Is this still to speculative assuming print will only be for purchases? What are thoughts now given above print / display, order only mitigation assumptions?
-- Non Spec options
------- in thinking about this, Trophy T&I would like have higher take rate? Maybe the Tournament Coordinator would even pay for the, as give-away and for a percent of other sales but guarantees some revenue proportionate to photog time.
-------Pre-arranged and deposit received game scheduling for action. Goal $200 reservation per game.
-- New in discussed Question, what kind of shots will make Parents happier when we any action shots?
--------- I know that my focus at games are not journalistic action but more from eye of the parent. In other words, based on the crowd sourcing wisdom here, do you agree parents prefer action with their child isolated from other players vs what we usually rank higher on the forum action with contact or other player in the frame adding to the \'story\' use better for journalism
Guy
I agree with the other comments, you\'re going to encounter parents with cameras who shoot lacrosse games and post free for everyone to share. I\'m one of those !
So be prepared to (not) encounter a gold mine of photo opportunity
e.g.
pic with a cheap Rebel DSLR and \"consumer\" lens distributed free
gschlact wrote:
I am not one to rely on luck. Risk is not the same as luck.
As far as this tournament some extra info / corrections to make:
-- it is Lacrosse
-- it is mid July and I somewhat had a personal commitment so not likely for this year
Some comments for further discussion. Let\'s assume we skip the individual portraits, and in general only consider Pre-arranged / requested team photos (I would not expect many takers since so many clubs have regular T&I). This now leave Action and trophy-T&I. Let\'s assume that even at my proficiency level that my shots are recognized as better by the parents when comparing to their M/DWAC.
-- Bark raises some interesting point that can potentially be neutralized? What do you think:
----- on site printing - I brought up Sams Club being only 1.5 mike away, but in a 3 mile radius as backup there is 3x Walgreens, Costco, Walmart, and Target each with quite capable Fuji printers, and this set double within 7 mile radius all as backup to alleviate the need for own printers.
----- Display stations - dispute that fact that Smart Phone only have 25% market penetration, I would estimate that in the parent demographics attending tournaments Smart Phone ownership is >90%+. So assuming this, could their own phones act as the viewing station for online viewing of the uploaded shots?
-- Decision of shooting on Spec
------- and printing for immediate sale vs on site only order/print/fulfill I would vote on the later using the fact that images will be taken down at the end of tournament for force short term decision. The risk being still that your shooting on spec. Success can be improved by Pre-arranged requests demonstrating interest or even deposit fees to reserve. Is this still to speculative assuming print will only be for purchases? What are thoughts now given above print / display, order only mitigation assumptions?
-- Non Spec options
------- in thinking about this, Trophy T&I would like have higher take rate? Maybe the Tournament Coordinator would even pay for the, as give-away and for a percent of other sales but guarantees some revenue proportionate to photog time.
-------Pre-arranged and deposit received game scheduling for action. Goal $200 reservation per game.
-- New in discussed Question, what kind of shots will make Parents happier when we any action shots?
--------- I know that my focus at games are not journalistic action but more from eye of the parent. In other words, based on the crowd sourcing wisdom here, do you agree parents prefer action with their child isolated from other players vs what we usually rank higher on the forum action with contact or other player in the frame adding to the \'story\' use better for journalism
Guy
I agree with the other comments, you\'re going to encounter parents with cameras who shoot lacrosse games and post free for everyone to share. I\'m one of those !
So be prepared to (not) encounter a gold mine of photo opportunity
e.g.
pic with a cheap Rebel DSLR and \"consumer\" lens distributed free
Jun 28, 2013 at 06:53 AM
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