The \"5D @ISO3200 is crap\" camp is awfully quiet.......
Sorry for not responding!
I should have said \"For a small reproduction size like this, that is an example of what I consider far too noisy, and why I kept the 5D at ISO 1250, or below, for event photography with flash and ambient light mix.\"
If others find this example photos\' IQ satisfying, no problem. I limited my 5D to 1600 max (800 being my last satisfying ISO) for fine details, and the 5D2 to 3200 max (1600 being preferred). From what I\'ve seen in examples and my own limited use, the 5D3 will me happy at 6400 under similar circumstances (but happier with 3200).
If I were shooting live musical or stage performances, I\'d go to much higher ISO (the new 5D3 looks really great at 12500!) -- a gritty look is more acceptable.
To your quote, \"Comparing 100% crops is useless because no client ever sees a 100% crop.\" I disagree. I\'ve taken many group shots at events (even a few weddings) where the client wanted to do a severe crop to feature a few individuals in a much larger scene. In those situations, the close-ups fall to pieces with low MP images at high ISO. I like being able to tout the cropping capabilities as an added creative option.
Reading David\'s response about his enjoying noise, having been raised on Tri-X illuminates the discussion. I was \"raised\" on Velvia 50, seeking as grainless and punchy an image as possible. That holds true today as well -- I\'m simply not a fan of noise (and other things too -- black and white; severe lens aberrations; and a number of other illustrative effects). Different strokes.
The \"5D @ISO3200 is crap\" camp is awfully quiet.......
Sorry for not responding!
I should have said \"For a small reproduction size like this, that is an example of what I consider far too noisy, and why I kept the 5D at ISO 1250, or below, for event photography with flash and ambient light mix.\"
If others find this example photos\' IQ satisfying, no problem. I limited my 5D to 1600 max (800 being my last satisfying ISO) for fine details, and the 5D2 to 3200 max (1600 being preferred). From what I\'ve seen in examples and my own limited use, the 5D3 will me happy at 6400 under similar circumstances (but happier with 3200).
If I were shooting live musical or stage performances, I\'d go to much higher ISO (the new 5D3 looks really great at 12500!) -- a gritty look is more acceptable.
To your quote, \"Comparing 100% crops is useless because no client ever sees a 100% crop.\" I disagree. I\'ve taken many group shots at events (even a few weddings) where the client wanted to do a severe crop to feature a few individuals in a much larger scene. In those situations, the close-ups fall to pieces with low MP images at high ISO. I like being able to tout the cropping capabilities as an added creative option.
Reading David\'s response about his enjoying noise, having been raised on Tri-X illuminates the discussion. I was \"raised\" on Velvia 50, seeking as grainless and punchy an image as possible. That holds true today as well -- I\'m simply not a fan of noise (and other things too -- black and white; severe lens aberrations, and a number of other illustrative effects). Different strokes.
The \"5D @ISO3200 is crap\" camp is awfully quiet.......
Sorry for not responding!
I should have said \"For a small reproduction size like this, that is an example of what I consider far too noisy, and why I kept the 5D at ISO 1250, or below, for event photography with flash and ambient light mix.\"
If others find this example photos\' IQ satisfying, no problem. I limited my 5D to 1600 max (800 being my last satisfying ISO) for fine details, and the 5D2 to 3200 max (1600 being preferred). From what I\'ve seen in examples and my own limited use, the 5D3 will me happy at 6400 under similar circumstances (but happier with 3200).
If I were shooting live musical or stage performances, I\'d go to much higher ISO (the new 5D3 looks really great at 12500!) -- a gritty look is more acceptable.
To your quote, \"Comparing 100% crops is useless because no client ever sees a 100% crop.\" I disagree. I\'ve taken many group shots at events (even a few weddings) where the client wanted to do a severe crop to feature a few individuals in a much larger scene. In those situations, the close-ups fall to pieces with low MP images at high ISO. I like being able to tout the cropping capabilities as an added creative option.
Reading David\'s response about his enjoying noise, having been raised on Tri-X illuminates the discussion. I was \"raised\" on Velvia 50, seeking a grainless and punchy an image as possible. That holds true today as well -- I\'m simply not a fan of noise (and other things too -- black and white; severe lens aberrations, and a number of other illustrative effects). Different strokes.
The \"5D @ISO3200 is crap\" camp is awfully quiet.......
Sorry for not responding!
I should have said \"For a small reproduction size like this, that is an example of what I consider far too noisy, and why I kept the 5D at ISO 1250, or below, for event photography with flash and ambient light mix.\"
If others find this example photos\' IQ satisfying, no problem. I limited my 5D to 1600 max (800 being my last satisfying ISO) for fine details, and the 5D2 to 3200 max (1600 being preferred). From what I\'ve seen in examples and my own limited use, the 5D3 will me happy at 6400 under similar circumstances (but happier with 3200).
If I were shooting live musical or stage performances, I\'d go to much higher ISO (the new 5D3 looks really great at 12500!) -- a gritty look is more acceptable.
To your quote, \"Comparing 100% crops is useless because no client ever sees a 100% crop.\" I disagree. I\'ve taken many group shots at events (even a few weddings) where the client wanted to do a severe crop to feature a few individuals in a much larger scene. In those situations, the close-ups fall to pieces with low MP images at high ISO. I like being able to tout the cropping capabilities as an added creative option.
Reading David\'s response about his enjoying noise being raised on Tri-X illuminates the discussion. I was \"raised\" on Velvia 50, seeking a grainless and punchy an image as possible. That holds true today as well -- I\'m simply not a fan of noise (and other things too -- black and white; severe lens aberrations, and a number of other illustrative effects). Different strokes.
The \"5D @ISO3200 is crap\" camp is awfully quiet.......
Sorry!
I should have said \"For a small reproduction size like this, that is an example of what I consider far too noisy, and why I kept the 5D at ISO 1250, or below, for event photography with flash and ambient light mix.\"
If others find this example photos\' IQ satisfying, no problem. I limited my 5D to 1600 max (800 being my last satisfying ISO) for fine details, and the 5D2 to 3200 max (1600 being preferred). From what I\'ve seen in examples and my own limited use, the 5D3 will me happy at 6400 under similar circumstances (but happier with 3200).
If I were shooting live musical or stage performances, I\'d go to much higher ISO (the new 5D3 looks really great at 12500!) -- a gritty look is more acceptable.
To your quote, \"Comparing 100% crops is useless because no client ever sees a 100% crop.\" I disagree. I\'ve taken many group shots at events (even a few weddings) where the client wanted to do a severe crop to feature a few individuals in a much larger scene. In those situations, the close-ups fall to pieces with low MP images at high ISO. I like being able to tout the cropping capabilities as an added creative option.
May 20, 2013 at 09:25 AM
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