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Re: Will Canon answer the D800e?


Daniel Smith wrote:
Am used to shooting more with 8x10 to 12x20 negatives and contact printing. That is what I compare to.
Am interested in the highest quality final images in print and for now Canon appears to be lagging behind Nikon.
Yes, I am considering a next digital body and still have a decent set of Nikon prime lenses in addition to my Canon digital bodies and AF lenses.

If I can\'t get what I need from Canon within a reasonable time I\'ll go with the D800e to use those times weather makes the LF gear unmanageable.

Would not mind staying with Canon. Sure would like some indication they are going to at least match the final image quality I am seeing from what Nikon has now.

I do know Canon was talking a 50MP chip \'better than anything\' within the past year. Might be nice to see if it will become reality in a body.

No, the wifi and GPS is not anything I need. Same with all the modes. Manual, Shutter and Aperture priority is all I need depending on the subject matter.

Auto Focus helps with eyes that aren\'t as sharp and fast as they used to be 40 years ago. All in all, am just looking for what will give the highest quality.

Years back most any body was fine coupled with good lenses - with Contax film flattening vacuum possibly having an advantage. We all chose the film for our purposes - and I miss Kodachrome 25 and Fuji 50 both. Now it is the bodies that take the place of the film choice for ultimate quality. Why blame someone who wants the highest quality possible within the limitations of what gear is reasonably available?


Daniel,

There\'s no blame game going on, there are just a few dozen threads that already address this issue, speculate, rumor, etc. and there is an excellent search feature that works great here on FM. Some are just tired of the repeat question and bashing/dooms daying of Canon...it just gets old and if you have the skills to use search, please do so...you\'ll gather a lot more info and get less of \'piss off this is old news\'. Be aware this subject has been beaten to death since the D800s were announced.

I\'m a bit curious, you mention film above, are you talking 8x10 or 35mm in this context. Given you come from using such huge negatives to print from, you must know 35mm will never meet your needs. To get even close to the IQ you are seeking your only viable option is medium format digital...you just need/require a bigger surface area then 35mm can give you, even the higher MP/DR of the D800 doesn\'t cut it given your previous work.

Be honest, you just can\'t compare 8x10 or larger drum-scanned film to \'anything\' that\'s 35mm. You\'re asking a VW Bug to perform like a Porsche...it doesn\'t compute.

Canon has been using their .5 fab for years and until they max micro lens design for that fab, we won\'t see a high megapixel sensor like Sony\'s Exmor. Canon isn\'t going to divulge anything detailed about their .18 fab until they are ready to \'spill the beans\' on the new process for the DSLR market. They aren\'t going to give away trade secrets...so we all wait until they are ready to do so. And, I doubt seriously that Canon won\'t up this MP and DR race at some point...if they can design the tech to do so...it\'s just bad business to ignore a customer base that could use the advancement; Landscape, Portrait, Studio/Fashion, Etc. and/or Video.

So, yes, Canon will answer the call, just at their own pace. For some this sucks and the only option if it\'s needed \'right\' now is a Nikon D800e and perhaps some high end MF glass; as I doubt you used any AF glass on your 8x10 and larger shoots.

This argument is really about convenience.
I want a high MPs like my 8x10s, to fit in my pocket/bag and can\'t have it.
So I just need to feel better about my frustrations, vent a little, well join the club bro.

I need a camera that I can operate without fingers, any grip...
A camera that will allow me to select an AF point...without finger movement...
Canon nearly created the ideal camera for me with the EOS-3 with it\'s ECF...
But no DSLR has ever implemented it since...why...Canon doesn\'t see it as viable...for the masses yet.

Sans the ECF, Canon has helped me personally with their new 6D design, the WiFi feature and a tablet get me past my still fingers issues...

It all sucks to some degree...kind of...we still can shoot with some pretty nice Canon gear and as of late with insanely clean high ISO, the same skin tones we know n love, and again as of late a rather kick-arse AF 61 point system in the 5D3 and 1DX.

Hold on a bit, go shoot and have fun while you/everyone waits.

Jerry








Jan 27, 2013 at 09:03 PM
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Re: Will Canon answer the D800e?


Daniel Smith wrote:
Am used to shooting more with 8x10 to 12x20 negatives and contact printing. That is what I compare to.
Am interested in the highest quality final images in print and for now Canon appears to be lagging behind Nikon.
Yes, I am considering a next digital body and still have a decent set of Nikon prime lenses in addition to my Canon digital bodies and AF lenses.

If I can\'t get what I need from Canon within a reasonable time I\'ll go with the D800e to use those times weather makes the LF gear unmanageable.

Would not mind staying with Canon. Sure would like some indication they are going to at least match the final image quality I am seeing from what Nikon has now.

I do know Canon was talking a 50MP chip \'better than anything\' within the past year. Might be nice to see if it will become reality in a body.

No, the wifi and GPS is not anything I need. Same with all the modes. Manual, Shutter and Aperture priority is all I need depending on the subject matter.

Auto Focus helps with eyes that aren\'t as sharp and fast as they used to be 40 years ago. All in all, am just looking for what will give the highest quality.

Years back most any body was fine coupled with good lenses - with Contax film flattening vacuum possibly having an advantage. We all chose the film for our purposes - and I miss Kodachrome 25 and Fuji 50 both. Now it is the bodies that take the place of the film choice for ultimate quality. Why blame someone who wants the highest quality possible within the limitations of what gear is reasonably available?


Daniel,

There\'s no blame game going on, there are just a few dozen threads that already address this issue, speculate, rumor, etc. and there is an excellent search feature that works great here on FM. Some are just tired of the repeat question and bashing/dooms daying of Canon...it just gets old and if you have the skills to use search, please do so...you\'ll gather a lot more info and get less of \'piss off this is old news\'. Be aware this subject has been beaten to death since the D800s were announced.

I\'m a bit curious, you mention film above, are you talking 8x10 or 35mm in this context. Given you come from using such huge negatives to print from, you must know 35mm will never meet your needs. To get even close to the IQ you are seeking your only viable option is medium format digital...you just need/require a bigger surface area then 35mm can give you, even the higher MP/DR of the D800 doesn\'t cut it given your previous work.

Be honest, you just can\'t compare 8x10 or larger drum-scanned film to \'anything\' that\'s 35mm. You\'re asking a VW Bug to perform like a Porsche...it doesn\'t compute.

Canon has been using their .5 fab for years and until they max micro lens design for that fab, we won\'t see a high megapixel sensor like Sony\'s Exmor. Canon isn\'t going to divulge anything detailed about their .18 fab until they are ready to \'spill the beans\' on the new process for the DSLR market. They aren\'t going to give away trade secrets...so we all wait until they are ready to do so. And, I doubt seriously that Canon won\'t up this MP and DR race at some point...if they can design the tech to do so...it\'s just bad business to ignore a customer base that could use the advancement; Landscape, Portrait, Studio/Fashion, Etc. and/or Video.

So, yes, Canon will answer the call, just at their own pace. For some this sucks and the only option if it\'s needed \'right\' now is a Nikon D800e and perhaps some high end MF glass; as I doubt you used any AF glass on your 8x10 and larger shoots.

This argument is really about convenience.
I want a high MPs like my 8x10s, to fit in my pocket/bag and can\'t have it.
So I just need to feel better about my frustrations, vent a little, well join the club bro.

I need a camera that I can operate without fingers, any grip...
A camera that will allow me to select an AF point...without finger movement...
Canon nearly created the ideal camera for me with the EOS-3 with it\'s ECF...
But no DSLR has ever implemented it since...why...Canon doesn\'t see it as viable...for the masses yet.

Sans the ECF, Canon has helped me personally with their new 6D design, the WiFi feature and a tablet get me past my still fingers issues...

It all sucks to some degree...kind of...we still can shoot with some pretty nice Canon gear and as of late with insanely clean high ISO, the same skin tones we know n love, and again as of late a rather kick-arse AF 61 point system.

Jerry








Jan 27, 2013 at 08:51 PM





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