Zebrabot wrote: M635_Guy wrote: Zebrabot wrote: sjms wrote:
that would then be a commitment to a specific clamping system. that will not happen. they will remain as generic as possible in this situation
arca swiss rails are the most generic mount there even is. It\'s also what any decent to higher end system uses anyways. Leave it with a flat bottom and threaded holes and nobody will even even notice the dovetails if they\'re using some bogus plastic QR tripod plates.
Oh wait, that would make sense, so nikon has to avoid that.
I think the folks at Manfrotto would notice, and take issue with the statement I highlighted (though I agree with you - I\'m a very happy A/S guy).
It isn\'t Nikon\'s job or interest to endorse a particular clamp platform. They run the risk of building a whole system around that only to have something better come along.
Manfrotto doesn\'t know what they\'re doing either. How many dozens of incompatible plates do they have now?
The only system where you can mix and match anything is with products that are acra swiss-ish. Note the -ish part as every maker has their on spin on how it should work, but all the parts fit together.
I have a whatever was cheapest mix of Acratech (my favorite by far even though their stuff has some dumb flaws they\'ve still not corrected) Kirk and Novoflex. All the parts fit and play nicely with each other. There\'s some other random stuff like a bracket from Stroboframe, which has a relic proprietary dovetail on the bottom. I can go out and get Strobrofram branded plates OR mill that bitch into arca swiss dimensions and have not have to worry about stand-out dead-ended systems from one company.
Nikon on the other hand is \"neutral\" by offering stupid stuff like single 1/4x20 threads on tripod feet for 6.5 pound lenses. Unless you take a grade 8 bolt and torque that lense into a solid block of granite, it\'s going to flex, get loose and fall off.
Again, a personal message to the person/team at Nikon who designs telephoto lense feet. You\'re an idiot, and you bring shame to Nikon. Quit now.
it\'s an opinion like many others.
as to the mechanics of the situation you need to look at the whole design not just a single portion of it. for the most part that single 1/4-20 bolt design has worked for all makers. your concentration on Nikon foot leads me to believe you don\'t look to far since the rest are essentially mechanically the same.
look at the 70-200/2.8 design. it relies on a single attach point foot attached to a wedge shoe clamp attached to a plate that is attached to the ring via 4 quite small fine thread screws. these screws hold well but the wedge plate (lens side) has been known to occasionally deform in use as mine has. it has been replaced once by a Nikon part and now has an RRS reinforced version in place and hasn\'t budged.
Nikon as with all companies design these parts for general usage population. for the more challenging usage there are luckily other sources. these sources can be more baseline costly. but they are not in reality necessary unless you actually need/want them.
Zebrabot wrote: M635_Guy wrote: Zebrabot wrote: sjms wrote:
that would then be a commitment to a specific clamping system. that will not happen. they will remain as generic as possible in this situation
arca swiss rails are the most generic mount there even is. It\'s also what any decent to higher end system uses anyways. Leave it with a flat bottom and threaded holes and nobody will even even notice the dovetails if they\'re using some bogus plastic QR tripod plates.
Oh wait, that would make sense, so nikon has to avoid that.
I think the folks at Manfrotto would notice, and take issue with the statement I highlighted (though I agree with you - I\'m a very happy A/S guy).
It isn\'t Nikon\'s job or interest to endorse a particular clamp platform. They run the risk of building a whole system around that only to have something better come along.
Manfrotto doesn\'t know what they\'re doing either. How many dozens of incompatible plates do they have now?
The only system where you can mix and match anything is with products that are acra swiss-ish. Note the -ish part as every maker has their on spin on how it should work, but all the parts fit together.
I have a whatever was cheapest mix of Acratech (my favorite by far even though their stuff has some dumb flaws they\'ve still not corrected) Kirk and Novoflex. All the parts fit and play nicely with each other. There\'s some other random stuff like a bracket from Stroboframe, which has a relic proprietary dovetail on the bottom. I can go out and get Strobrofram branded plates OR mill that bitch into arca swiss dimensions and have not have to worry about stand-out dead-ended systems from one company.
Nikon on the other hand is \"neutral\" by offering stupid stuff like single 1/4x20 threads on tripod feet for 6.5 pound lenses. Unless you take a grade 8 bolt and torque that lense into a solid block of granite, it\'s going to flex, get loose and fall off.
Again, a personal message to the person/team at Nikon who designs telephoto lense feet. You\'re an idiot, and you bring shame to Nikon. Quit now.
it\'s an opinion like many others.
as to the mechanics of the situation you need to look at the whole design not just a single portion of it. for the most part that single 1/4-20 bolt design has worked for all makers. your concentration on Nikon foot leads me to believe you don\'t look to far since the rest are essentially mechanically the same.
look at the 70-200/2.8 design. it relies on a single attach point foot attached to a wedge shoe clamp attached to a plate that is attached to the ring via 4 quite small fine thread screws. these screws hold well but the wedge plate has been known to deform in use as mine has. it has been replaced once by a Nikon part and now has an RRS reinforced version in place and hasn\'t budged.
Nikon as with all companies design these parts for general usage population. for the more challenging usage there are luckily other sources. these sources can be more baseline costly. but they are not in reality necessary unless you actually need/want them.
Zebrabot wrote: M635_Guy wrote: Zebrabot wrote: sjms wrote:
that would then be a commitment to a specific clamping system. that will not happen. they will remain as generic as possible in this situation
arca swiss rails are the most generic mount there even is. It\'s also what any decent to higher end system uses anyways. Leave it with a flat bottom and threaded holes and nobody will even even notice the dovetails if they\'re using some bogus plastic QR tripod plates.
Oh wait, that would make sense, so nikon has to avoid that.
I think the folks at Manfrotto would notice, and take issue with the statement I highlighted (though I agree with you - I\'m a very happy A/S guy).
It isn\'t Nikon\'s job or interest to endorse a particular clamp platform. They run the risk of building a whole system around that only to have something better come along.
Manfrotto doesn\'t know what they\'re doing either. How many dozens of incompatible plates do they have now?
The only system where you can mix and match anything is with products that are acra swiss-ish. Note the -ish part as every maker has their on spin on how it should work, but all the parts fit together.
I have a whatever was cheapest mix of Acratech (my favorite by far even though their stuff has some dumb flaws they\'ve still not corrected) Kirk and Novoflex. All the parts fit and play nicely with each other. There\'s some other random stuff like a bracket from Stroboframe, which has a relic proprietary dovetail on the bottom. I can go out and get Strobrofram branded plates OR mill that bitch into arca swiss dimensions and have not have to worry about stand-out dead-ended systems from one company.
Nikon on the other hand is \"neutral\" by offering stupid stuff like single 1/4x20 threads on tripod feet for 6.5 pound lenses. Unless you take a grade 8 bolt and torque that lense into a solid block of granite, it\'s going to flex, get loose and fall off.
Again, a personal message to the person/team at Nikon who designs telephoto lense feet. You\'re an idiot, and you bring shame to Nikon. Quit now.
it\'s an opinion like many others.
Jan 23, 2013 at 07:50 AM
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