artd wrote: gdanmitchell wrote: Brit-007 wrote:
Medium format is not that expensive to get in only if you want the best of the best and the latest gear.
Ain\'t quite that simple. It depends a lot on what you shoot and how - which you more or less acknowledged earlier in your post. For some things the MF digital systems are wonderful. For some things they are completely the wrong choice. And the determining factor is not a thing quite a simple as \"image quality.\"
Dan
This is exactly right. For example, try pricing out a medium format system to do architecture photography where you need wide angle with shift capabilities.
Funny you should mention that specific issue. A friend and well-know landscape photographer whose path has gone, over the course of some decades, from BW LF film to color LF film to scanned color LF film to high-end MF digital systems recently told me that when we shoot together this fall he will be using a... Nikon D800e! Why? For one reason, because he wants to make a certain type of photograph of water and felt that a tilt/shift lens would be useful for that. He found a really nice one for his MF digital system... and realized that he could buy the Nikon camera and an excellent TS lens for less than the cost of the MF lens. ;-)
retrofocus wrote: gdanmitchell wrote:
By the way, the spectacle of people ranting about the \"$9k\" price of a camera that is nothing more than a faint rumor lacking any detail at all about price, timing, model-level, or anything else is rather funny. I\'m expecting a new thread to start any minute: \"I\'m outraged by the 9K price of Canon\'s new 46MP camera!\"
;-)
So how do you explain that Nikon is able to sell a 36 MP FF camera for about $3000, and now a new Canon 46 MP FF should suddenly be priced at $9K?! I think it is just wishful thinking by a few who bought or are selling the 5D III to avoid seeing this one drop in price rapidly after a new Canon high MP FF camera appears.
Sometimes I wonder if people actually read the posts to which they reply. There is no \"new Canon 46 MP camera\" at $9k or any other price. It is (barely) a rumor!
Further on in this thread, I think I actually saw people reporting a rumor that a rumor may not be true. But that\'s just a rumor. You can tell them you heard it here first! ;-)
retrofocus wrote:
The D800 is an excellent camera and Canon still has to match this performance.
I\'ll agree with that much of what you said, and there is no doubt that in the continual game of back-and-forth that is the DSLR market, Canon will do so. And then Nikon will respond. And then Canon. And then...
jctriguy wrote:
I think the point was that it is silly to rant about the price of a camera that doesn\'t exist and even if it will in the future no one has any idea what it will cost. It has nothing to do with Nikon selling a $3k camera, no need to explain anything.
Oh, knock it off. You actually read my post and then, and then you understood it! That kind of level-headedness will get you nowhere in a photography forum. ;-)
Brit-007 wrote:
Medium format is not that expensive to get in only if you want the best of the best and the latest gear.
gdanmitchell wrote:
Ain\'t quite that simple. It depends a lot on what you shoot and how - which you more or less acknowledged earlier in your post. For some things the MF digital systems are wonderful. For some things they are completely the wrong choice. And the determining factor is not a thing quite a simple as \"image quality.\"
Dan
artd wrote:
This is exactly right. For example, try pricing out a medium format system to do architecture photography where you need wide angle with shift capabilities.
gdanmitchell wrote:
By the way, the spectacle of people ranting about the \"$9k\" price of a camera that is nothing more than a faint rumor lacking any detail at all about price, timing, model-level, or anything else is rather funny. I\'m expecting a new thread to start any minute: \"I\'m outraged by the 9K price of Canon\'s new 46MP camera!\"
;-)
retrofocus wrote:
So how do you explain that Nikon is able to sell a 36 MP FF camera for about $3000, and now a new Canon 46 MP FF should suddenly be priced at $9K?! I think it is just wishful thinking by a few who bought or are selling the 5D III to avoid seeing this one drop in price rapidly after a new Canon high MP FF camera appears.
retrofocus wrote:
The D800 is an excellent camera and Canon still has to match this performance.
jctriguy wrote:
I think the point was that it is silly to rant about the price of a camera that doesn\'t exist and even if it will in the future no one has any idea what it will cost. It has nothing to do with Nikon selling a $3k camera, no need to explain anything.
Funny you should mention that specific issue. A friend and well-know landscape photographer whose path has gone, over the course of some decades, from BW LF film to color LF film to scanned color LF film to high-end MF digital systems recently told me that when we shoot together this fall he will be using a... Nikon D800e! Why? For one reason, because he wants to make a certain type of photograph of water and felt that a tilt/shift lens would be useful for that. He found a really nice one for his MF digital system... and realized that he could buy the Nikon camera and an excellent TS lens for less than the cost of the MF lens. ;-)
Sometimes I wonder if people actually read the posts to which they reply. There is no \"new Canon 46 MP camera\" at $9k or any other price. It is (barely) a rumor!
Further on in this thread, I think I actually saw people reporting a rumor that a rumor may not be true. But that\'s just a rumor. You can tell them you heard it here first! ;-)
I\'ll agree with that much of what you said, and there is no doubt that in the continual game of back-and-forth that is the DSLR market, Canon will do so. And then Nikon will respond. And then Canon. And then...
Oh, knock it off. You actually read my post and then, and then you understood it! That kind of level-headedness will get you nowhere in a photography forum. ;-)
artd wrote: gdanmitchell wrote: Brit-007 wrote:
Medium format is not that expensive to get in only if you want the best of the best and the latest gear.
Ain\'t quite that simple. It depends a lot on what you shoot and how - which you more or less acknowledged earlier in your post. For some things the MF digital systems are wonderful. For some things they are completely the wrong choice. And the determining factor is not a thing quite a simple as \"image quality.\"
Dan
This is exactly right. For example, try pricing out a medium format system to do architecture photography where you need wide angle with shift capabilities.
Funny you should mention that specific issue. A friend and well-know landscape photographer whose path has gone, over the course of some decades, from BW LF film to color LF film to scanned color LF film to high-end MF digital systems recently told me that when we shoot together this fall he will be using a... Nikon D800e! Why? For one reason, because he wants to make a certain type of photograph of water and felt that a tilt/shift lens would be useful for that. He found a really nice one for his MF digital system... and realized that he could buy the Nikon camera and an excellent TS lens for less than the cost of the MF lens. ;-)
retrofocus wrote: gdanmitchell wrote:
By the way, the spectacle of people ranting about the \"$9k\" price of a camera that is nothing more than a faint rumor lacking any detail at all about price, timing, model-level, or anything else is rather funny. I\'m expecting a new thread to start any minute: \"I\'m outraged by the 9K price of Canon\'s new 46MP camera!\"
;-)
So how do you explain that Nikon is able to sell a 36 MP FF camera for about $3000, and now a new Canon 46 MP FF should suddenly be priced at $9K?! I think it is just wishful thinking by a few who bought or are selling the 5D III to avoid seeing this one drop in price rapidly after a new Canon high MP FF camera appears.
Sometimes I wonder if people actually read the posts to which they reply. There is no \"new Canon 46 MP camera\" at $9k or any other price. It is (barely) a rumor!
retrofocus wrote:
The D800 is an excellent camera and Canon still has to match this performance.
I\'ll agree with that much of what you said, and there is no doubt that in the continual game of back-and-forth that is the DSLR market, Canon will do so. And then Nikon will respond. And then Canon. And then...
Dan
artd wrote: gdanmitchell wrote: Brit-007 wrote:
Medium format is not that expensive to get in only if you want the best of the best and the latest gear.
Ain\'t quite that simple. It depends a lot on what you shoot and how - which you more or less acknowledged earlier in your post. For some things the MF digital systems are wonderful. For some things they are completely the wrong choice. And the determining factor is not a thing quite a simple as \"image quality.\"
Dan
This is exactly right. For example, try pricing out a medium format system to do architecture photography where you need wide angle with shift capabilities.
Funny you should mention that specific issue. A friend and well-know landscape photographer whose path has gone, over the course of some decades, from BW LF film to color LF film to scanned color LF film to high-end MF digital systems recently told me that when we shoot together this fall he will be using a... Nikon D800e! Why? For one reason, because he wants to make a certain type of photograph of water and felt that a tilt/shift lens would be useful for that. He found a really nice one for his MF digital system... and realized that he could buy the Nikon camera and an excellent TS lens for less than the cost of the MF lens. ;-)
retrofocus wrote: gdanmitchell wrote:
By the way, the spectacle of people ranting about the \"$9k\" price of a camera that is nothing more than a faint rumor lacking any detail at all about price, timing, model-level, or anything else is rather funny. I\'m expecting a new thread to start any minute: \"I\'m outraged by the 9K price of Canon\'s new 46MP camera!\"
;-)
Dan
So how do you explain that Nikon is able to sell a 36 MP FF camera for about $3000, and now a new Canon 46 MP FF should suddenly be priced at $9K?! I think it is just wishful thinking by a few who bought or are selling the 5D III to avoid seeing this one drop in price rapidly after a new Canon high MP FF camera appears.
Sometimes I wonder if people actually read the posts to which they reply. There is no \"new Canon 46 MP camera\" at $9k or any other price. It is (barely) a rumor!
Dan
Sep 06, 2012 at 10:31 PM
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