Re: Nikon D800 announced -- 36mp, w/ & w/o AA filter
That\'s quite a bit of color shift in the D800E \"After\" @ top right embroidery.
As mentioned, I\'m a fan of non-AA ... BUT ... it is NOT for the faint of heart when it come to moire\'. I use mine (SLR/c) with great regularity but am constantly aware of subject matter that is moire sensitive.
In that regard alone, there IS a PRICE to pay for non-AA. It is far more liberating and free flowing to shoot with my AA filter bodies without being concerned @ moire. For most applications the cost of moire\' and the additional pre-capture attention / post-capture correction (when it does happen) makes it an interesting risk/reward that doesn\'t bode well as a \'general application\' tool, imo. For me, it is my subject matter selectivity that keeps my battle with moire in check such that I rarely have to contend with it ... but I still get \"bit\" from time to time with it ... and it always \"sucks\" when it happens.
As a specialty tool (i.e. landscape/fine art/etc.), it is great ... as a general tool it is simply untrustworthy as you can\'t fully predict whether or not it\'ll show up in a given subject. I\'m very glad to see that there is a non-AA option available for when my SLR/c eventually bites the dust. But, there is NO WAY that I get the non-AA option as my only/primary body for general application (read anything with people who wear clothing, etc.) ... where you don\'t have the luxury of time think about whether or not you should change bodies, nor the luxury of time to correct in post via PS.
Some people may reasonably associate with the non-AA filter options of medium format bodies (which I\'ve not shot), but MF workflows (and economics) are typically very different from SLR workflows. I consider my SLR/c as an MF body with a \"crop factor\" that lets me use a plethora of different glass than MF itself would. To that end, I do ascribe to my SLR/c as a \"poor man\'s MF\" ... but the D800/D800E\'s TINY PIXELS concern me @ diffraction losses being counterproductive for stopped down applications.
I say this very strongly, and will likely be proven very wrongly by one or more talented individuals ... but for the masses, be VERY WARY of going non-AA ... it is NOT for the faint or heart or anyone wanting / expecting the ease of sooc and LR output.
If you are prepared to know that it might come with certain costs in pre- / post- capture attention, then its rewards can be pretty special ... but therein lies the \"word of the day\" ... it is a \"special\" (i.e. not general) tool that has special requirements and foibles. IMO ... most people will not do well with the special needs (attention to / correction of) a non-AA filter body. It is very alluring for the detail it can deliver, but there is a reason that there are so few non-AA filter SLR bodies options.
Again, I am a non-AA filter fan ... but, the roses do come with thorns ... and you will get \"pricked\" from time to time.
HTH ... looking forward to seeing some EXCELLENT images from the D800E (non-moire application and f8 or faster).
Re: Nikon D800 announced -- 36mp, w/ & w/o AA filter
That\'s quite a bit of color shift in the D800E \"After\" @ top right embroidery.
As mentioned, I\'m a fan of non-AA ... BUT ... it is NOT for the faint of heart when it come to moire\'. I use mine (SLR/c) with great regularity but am constantly aware of subject matter that is moire sensitive.
In that regard alone, there IS a PRICE to pay for non-AA. It is far more liberating and free flowing to shoot with my AA filter bodies without being concerned @ moire. For most applications the cost of moire\' and the additional pre-capture attention / post-capture correction (when it does happen) makes it an interesting risk/reward that doesn\'t bode well as a \'general application\' tool, imo. For me, it is my subject matter selectivity that keeps my battle with moire in check such that I rarely have to contend with it ... but I still get \"bit\" from time to time with it ... and it always \"sucks\" when it happens.
As a specialty tool (i.e. landscape/fine art/etc.), it is great ... as a general tool it is simply untrustworthy as you can\'t fully predict whether or not it\'ll show up in a given subject. I\'m very glad to see that there is a non-AA option available for when my SLR/c eventually bites the dust. But, there is NO WAY that I get the non-AA option as my only/primary body for general application (read anything with people who wear clothing, etc.) ... where you don\'t have the luxury of time think about whether or not you should change bodies, nor the luxury of time to correct in post via PS.
Some people may reasonably associate with the non-AA filter options of medium format bodies (which I\'ve not shot), but MF workflows (and economics) are typically very different from SLR workflows. I consider my SLR/c as an MF body with a \"crop factor\" that lets me use a plethora of different glass than MF itself would. To that end, I do ascribe to my SLR/c as a \"poor man\'s MF\" ... but the D800/D800E\'s TINY PIXELS concern me @ diffraction losses being counterproductive for stopped down applications.
I say this very strongly, and will likely be proven very wrongly by one or more talented individuals ... but for the masses, be VERY WARY of going non-AA ... it is NOT for the faint or heart or anyone wanting / expecting the ease of sooc and LR output.
If you are prepared to know that it might come with certain costs in pre- / post- capture attention, then its rewards can be pretty special ... but therein lies the \"word of the day\" ... it is a \"special\" (i.e. not general) tool that has special requirements and foibles. IMO ... most people will not do well with the special needs (attention to / correction of) a non-AA filter body. It is very alluring for the detail it can deliver, but there is a reason that there are so few non-AA filter SLR bodies options.
Again, I am a non-AA filter fan ... but, the roses do come with thorns ... and you will get \"pricked\" from time to time.
HTH ... looking forward to seeing some EXCELLENT images from the D800E (non-moire application and f8 or faster).
Re: Nikon D800 announced -- 36mp, w/ & w/o AA filter
That\'s quite a bit of color shift in the D800E \"After\" @ top right embroidery.
As mentioned, I\'m a fan of non-AA ... BUT ... it is NOT for the faint of heart when it come to moire\'. I use mine (SLR/c) with great regularity but am constantly aware of subject matter that is moire sensitive.
In that regard alone, there IS a PRICE to pay for non-AA. It is far more liberating and free flowing to shoot with my AA filter bodies without being concerned @ moire. For most applications the cost of moire\' and the additional pre-capture attention / post-capture correction (when it does happen) makes it an interesting risk/reward that doesn\'t bode well as a \'general application\' tool, imo. For me, it is my subject matter selectivity that keeps my battle with moire in check such that I rarely have to contend with it ... but I still get \"bit\" from time to time with it ... and it always \"sucks\" when it happens.
As a specialty tool (i.e. landscape/fine art/etc.), it is great ... as a general tool it is simply untrustworthy as you can\'t fully predict whether or not it\'ll show up in a given subject. I\'m very glad to see that there is a non-AA option available for when my SLR/c eventually bites the dust. But, there is NO WAY that I get the non-AA option as my only/primary body for general application (read anything with people who wear clothing, etc.) ... where you don\'t have the luxury of time think about whether or not you should change bodies, nor the luxury of time to correct in post via PS.
Some people may reasonably associate with the non-AA filter options of medium format bodies (which I\'ve not shot), but MF workflows (and economics) are typically very different from SLR workflows. I consider my SLR/c as an MF body with a \"crop factor\" that lets me use a plethora of different glass than MF itself would. To that end, I do ascribe to my SLR/c as a \"poor man\'s MF\" ... but the D800/D800E\'s TINY PIXELS concern me @ diffraction losses being counterproductive for stopped down applications.
I say this very strongly, and will likely be proven very wrongly by one or more talented individuals ... but for the masses, be VERY WARY of going non-AA ... it is NOT for the faint or heart or anyone wanting / expecting the ease of sooc and LR output.
If you are prepared to know that it might come with certain costs in pre- / post- capture attention, then its rewards can be pretty special ... but therein lies the \"word of the day\" ... it is a \"special\" (i.e. not general) tool that has special requirements and foibles. IMO ... most people will not do well with the special needs (attention to / correction of) a non-AA filter body. It is very alluring for the detail it can deliver, but there is a reason that there are so few non-AA filter SLR bodies options.
Again, I am a non-AA filter fan ... but, the roses do come with thorns.
HTH ... looking forward to seeing some EXCELLENT images from the D800E (non-moire application and f8 or faster).
Re: Nikon D800 announced -- 36mp, w/ & w/o AA filter
That\'s quite a bit of color shift in the D800E \"After\" @ top right embroidery.
As mentioned, I\'m a fan of non-AA ... BUT ... it is NOT for the faint of heart when it come to moire\'. I use mine (SLR/c) with great regularity but am constantly aware of subject matter that is moire sensitive.
In that regard alone, there IS a PRICE to pay for non-AA. It is far more liberating and free flowing to shoot with my AA filter bodies without being concerned @ moire. For most applications the cost of moire\' and the additional pre-capture attention / post-capture correction (when it does happen) makes it an interesting risk/reward that doesn\'t bode well as a \'general application\' tool, imo. For me, it is my subject matter selectivity that keeps my battle with moire in check such that I rarely have to contend with it ... but I still get \"bit\" from time to time with it ... and it always \"sucks\" when it happens.
As a specialty tool (i.e. landscape/fine art/etc.), it is great ... as a general tool it is simply untrustworthy as you can\'t fully predict whether or not it\'ll show up in a given subject. I\'m very glad to see that there is a non-AA option available for when my SLR/c eventually bites the dust. But, there is NO WAY that I get the non-AA option as my only/primary body for general application (read anything with people who wear clothing, etc.) ... where you don\'t have the luxury of time think about whether or not you should change bodies, nor the luxury of time to correct in post via PS.
Some people may reasonably associate with the non-AA filter options of medium format bodies (which I\'ve not shot), but MF workflows (and economics) are typically very different from SLR workflows. I consider my SLR/c as an MF body with a \"crop factor\" that lets me use a plethora of different glass than MF itself would. To that end, I do ascribe to my SLR/c as a \"poor man\'s MF\" ... but the D800/D800E\'s TINY PIXELS concern me @ diffraction losses being counterproductive.
I say this very strongly, and will likely be proven very wrongly by one or more talented individuals ... but for the masses, be VERY WARY of going non-AA ... it is NOT for the faint or heart or anyone wanting / expecting the ease of sooc and LR output.
If you are prepared to know that it might come with certain costs in pre- / post- capture attention, then its rewards can be pretty special ... but therein lies the \"word of the day\" ... it is a \"special\" (i.e. not general) tool that has special requirements and foibles. IMO ... most people will not do well with the special needs (attention to / correction of) a non-AA filter body. It is very alluring for the detail it can deliver, but there is a reason that there are so few non-AA filter SLR bodies options.
Again, I am a non-AA filter fan ... but, the roses do come with thorns.
HTH ... looking forward to seeing some EXCELLENT images from the D800E (non-moire application and f8 or faster).
Re: Nikon D800 announced -- 36mp, w/ & w/o AA filter
That\'s quite a bit of color shift in the D800E \"After\" @ top right embroidery.
As mentioned, I\'m a fan of non-AA ... BUT ... it is NOT for the faint of heart when it come to moire\'. I use mine (SLR/c) with great regularity but am constantly aware of subject matter that is moire sensitive.
In that regard alone, there IS a PRICE to pay for non-AA. It is far more liberating and free flowing to shoot with my AA filter bodies without being concerned @ moire. For most applications the cost of moire\' and the additional pre-capture attention / post-capture correction (when it does happen) makes it an interesting risk/reward that doesn\'t bode well as a \'general application\' tool, imo. For me, it is my subject matter selectivity that keeps my battle with moire in check such that I rarely have to contend with it ... but I still get \"bit\" from time to time with it ... and it always \"sucks\" when it happens.
As a specialty tool (i.e. landscape/fine art/etc.), it is great ... as a general tool it is simply untrustworthy as you can\'t fully predict whether or not it\'ll show up in a given subject. I\'m very glad to see that there is a non-AA option available for when my SLR/c eventually bites the dust. But, there is NO WAY that I get the non-AA option as my only/primary body for general application (read anything with people who wear clothing, etc.) ... where you don\'t have the luxury of time think about whether or not you should change bodies, nor the luxury of time to correct in post via PS.
Some people may reasonably associate with the non-AA filter options of medium format bodies (which I\'ve not shot), but MF workflows (and economics) are typically very different from SLR workflows. I consider my SLR/c as an MF body with a \"crop factor\" that lets me use a plethora of different glass than MF itself would.
I say this very strongly, and will likely be proven very wrongly by one or more talented individuals ... but for the masses, be VERY WARY of going non-AA ... it is NOT for the faint or heart or anyone wanting / expecting the ease of sooc and LR output.
If you are prepared to know that it might come with certain costs in pre- / post- capture attention, then its rewards can be pretty special ... but therein lies the \"word of the day\" ... it is a \"special\" (i.e. not general) tool that has special requirements and foibles. IMO ... most people will not do well with the special needs (attention to / correction of) a non-AA filter body. It is very alluring for the detail it can deliver, but there is a reason that there are so few non-AA filter SLR bodies options.
Again, I am a non-AA filter fan ... but, the roses do come with thorns.
HTH ... looking forward to seeing some EXCELLENT images from the D800E (non-moire application and f8 or faster).
Feb 11, 2012 at 10:41 AM
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