Re: Nikon D800 announced -- 36mp, w/ & w/o AA filter
theSuede wrote: Tariq Gibran wrote:
Thanks. So, do you think with this particular subject matter the regular AA filtered D800 would have represented the hair more accurately? I guess another way to put it is: would a properly calibrated AA filter do a better job than trying to take care of moire after it occurs?
Yes. If you WANT to shoot at F5.6 > F9.0 all the time, use strobes and sometimes have the luck to score a red-head for the shoot - the normal version would be preferable.
If you HAVE the option to stop down just a stop more (F11?) for suspect cases you\'re way safe, even with the E version.
Look at the fabric - now we don\'t know if there\'s been any PP fiddling going on here, but it looks fine to me. But the fabric is pale yellow, and not really high-contrast weave patterns, so I doubt you\'d get problems at F9 with this. There\'s a strong flat correlation in green to red>blue in that fabric, which means that moire will be less strong.
As I\'ve said repeatedly - the E version should by no means be a very \"hard\" camera to use. But given unfortunate circumstances and a sharp lens, as the Nikon official comparison shows it can indeed mess things up pretty badly...
-And I have no doubt you can get a lot worse than this.
The photographer handling the camera is supposed to know how to deal with this, that\'s why there\'s a price difference. They don\'t WANT idiots just looking for the latest & greatest to buy the E version, they want them to buy the normal version.
But they would never even think of releasing the E version if they did not think it was manageable - large Japanese companies are by tradition VERY careful about taking to large risks with things like this.
Now I want the D7000 E too... :-)
(well, now that Nikon HAS taken the step into the unknown, a 24MP APS camera without an AA filter shouldn\'t be to far out)
I expect the D5200 or whatever they\'re going to call it to be cheap enough for me to get one on expenses and rip it apart. Could be fun.
This kimono example is the exact one I was referencing. Here we see a little moire with the D800E but in the full size, official NIkon samples, the same kimono is shown taken with the D800E and shows no moire - and it looks great, nothing like this smeared hair example. Thus, I guess the Nikon raw converter must have taken care of the moire pretty decently.
Even with my Sony A900, if I\'m attempting to get the highest resolution out of it with a great lens, I never shoot above F8. F11 would be something I would only use if the dof was needed. I would think this would be even more the case with the D800. Thus, if I\'m required to stop down past F8 only to decrease actual resolution (due to more noticeable diffraction effects) in order to avoid moire, that does not make a lot of sense to me. If it is also the case that there is no actual resolution increase with the D800E over the D800, great lenses plus correct sharpening may make more sense than dealing with moire when it occurs...but I need to see more examples.
Feb 09, 2012 at 07:18 PM
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