There is no comparison at all. If you cannot see the huge dif between 2 & 2.8......You need another lens completely for indoor stuff
And 28 Cron is had for 2800, no need to spend 4 k--why does everybody scream 4k! 4k!?
You say it\'s a character lens and has no character on nex? A rash statement.
Frankly, u seemed to have utterly flipped out on the whole subject
I love the \"28 cron is last lens I\'d rec, get 24 summi, though i don\'t own or have never tried it\"
But it\'s always good to see all sides and I like ur crops and nice comparisons w excellent zeiss
thank god rational sebboh is around to defend my \"precious\" . I could have said the same but i suspect you\'d have scoffed.
The truth is that all things considered--putting price aside--but looking at footprint, sharpness, character together the 28 cron is probably the best normal lens available for the nex--bar none. It\'s EFL hits the definition of \"normal\" square on the head. It goes in your pocket. It\'s sharp----say what you want--it may or may not be ultimate. It is very sweet in character.
As to the money---it\'s not wasted, it\'s in the bank. And if the lens can replace a bunch of others its even more valuable---you don\'t have to think, what\'s my normal? You have it. That, my friend denior, is priceless.
Or it could be that I actually know what I\'m talking about as I have the lenses and cameras in question The really good thing with having owned many cameras and lenses is that you after a while lose the \"buyer\'s bias\" and can look at them objectively.
I know it is ruthless and not very kind. People that have made or are planning to make a major investment do not like to hear that it\'s a bad one. However given precisely that it is a major investment for most, I think an objective evaluation is better than a romantic fantasy about the magical properties of one lens or another. It\'s not arrogance, it\'s simply sharing my experience in the hope it might be useful. I\'ve received such useful information from others on this forum and elsewhere and this is my way of reciprocating.
There are two major arguments against the 28 Cron on a NEX and it ties into a third one. The first one is that contrary to what seems to be the popular belief here, it\'s not brilliant when it comes to raw optical performance. It\'s very good, but not as good as the best wide angles. The second argument is that the distinct signature of this lens comes from what goes on at the edges of the frame - namely its characteristic vignetting. It\'s not a usual subject of discussion but vignetting is as unique as bokeh and as difficult to replicate in post processing. On a crop camera you just get the middle of the frame. The final argument that it all ties into is the price. It\'s a very expensive lens and gives very poor value for money.
I brought up the ZM 25 as it does not have those three problems. It is an extremely high performance lens. It has flat rendering on FF as well, so not much is lost when using a cropper. It is affordable. It also focuses much closer than the 28 Cron. Yes, it\'s not f/2, but if you are looking for an 28/2 a more reasonable choice would be the CV 28/2 Ultron - at 1/8th of the price of a Cron. Yes, it\'s not quite as good, but the value for money is much better.
The whole value for money thing is relevant. I see people saving up for a long time to get one Leica M lens attributing all sorts of magical properties to it and then placing it on an APS-C camera. The only two possible outcomes are disappointment or self delusion - and there are much cheaper ways of getting either
If value for money wasn\'t an issue then this discussion would be superfluous as you\'d be using the lens on a camera that it was designed for - an M rangefinder. Or to be more specific, the M9.
If you want an analogy, it\'s like buying $100,000 Formula 1 tires and mount them on a Chevrolet Impala. The benefit will be very slight and the cost ridiculous for what you get.
As for the resale value you are hinting at, don\'t count on Leica prices being so inflated indefinitely. They\'re currently building new factories and the production rates will increase dramatically over the next few years. Unless you plan to sell very soon, a Leica lens is not a good investment.
Dec 09, 2011 at 04:03 PM
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