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p.10 #1 · Giving Discounts


Inku Yo wrote:
Well, if you're looking to run a studio that bases income on volume with multiple shooters and selling products, then yes, you're on the right track. Bella, The Pros, Lamar Wedding Center... ever hear of them? There are other ones all of the state of NJ just like them.

That's not my goal. In fact, I tell people that I'm the "anti-those studios." I'm a boutique studio that provides a service. Any photographer can add any product to their offering. Once everyone starts offering what you're offering, you're no longer unique.

I offer a couple of unique products, but I try
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I'm not looking to make a studio based on how many cattle I can turn through the door on a given day. I think it's possible to run a studio with 2 or 3 photographers and still have the appearance that you are a boutique offering. Something along the lines of what Tony is doing presently. Just from a cursory look, he's where I'm heading.

How I've set up my unique products, they are 100% personal to me. It's not an album or a special print, it's actually something only I can produce. Just for instance, and this is not what I mean per se, but no one will design an album like you. There are other people who design albums, other photographers that offer albums, but no one will create one just like you. That's something personal. That's something you would tell your clients about, they aren't just getting an album, they are getting an album designed by you. Using YOUR photos. That's big.


/edit - oh and by the way, you answered the question of why no one should charge $2K per wedding, even though it may be possible.


There is a big difference between shouldn't and can't.



Mar 25, 2011 at 03:31 PM
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p.10 #2 · Giving Discounts


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Truthfully after all is said and done as long as we are charging a fair rate for our services and not doing something that is detrimental to the industry (free weddings, 500$ weddings) I don't think it really matters much. ...



Detrimental to the industry? What does that even mean? Is the "industry" a medieval guild or modern monopoly that fixes prices for services, irrespective of market conditions? If someone is will to hire your hypothetical Billy Bob for $500 or even $100, it is, as you say, his gain or loss. What does the industry have to do with anything?




Mar 25, 2011 at 03:40 PM
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monoatomic72 wrote:
There is a big difference between shouldn't and can't.


Haha. Well, I was initially only responding because I thought you were saying 1) you only charge $2K per wedding and make a living off of it, and 2) you were saying that everyone should be doing the same.

If that's not the case, I have nothing further to add to this conversation. Hahaha.



Mar 25, 2011 at 03:46 PM
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Having read most of the posts on this thread the consensus seems to be you never discount,

unless of course the wedding is a 1.5K-2.0K shoot and burn across the country then you

should eat $650 in expenses and spend 3 days traveling to do the wedding.



Mar 25, 2011 at 04:09 PM
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No that's not what I was saying. I did make a living off it for a while. Would I suggest making it a permanent career goal. Certainly not.
I don't think everyone is capable however of jumping right into a business at the higher end. In that sense, I think it's perfectly acceptable to start on the lower end and work your way up.

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Let me reshape that a bit. I don't think a 2k photographer should be raising their prices if they don't know why. If you are at the 2k level and haven't figured out why you should and how you can make the move up to a higher price point, raising your prices won't make you a profitable, sustainable business.
I'd take a business savvy 2k wedding photographer over a 5k business mess in a race to sustainability.

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Mar 25, 2011 at 04:15 PM
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lordarka wrote:
What does the industry have to do with anything?



the industry has to do with you, dummy.



Mar 25, 2011 at 04:16 PM
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monoatomic72 wrote:
No that's not what I was saying. I did make a living off it for a while. Would I suggest making it a permanent career goal. Certainly not.
I don't think everyone is capable however of jumping right into a business at the higher end. In that sense, I think it's perfectly acceptable to start on the lower end and work your way up.

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Let me reshape that a bit. I don't think a 2k photographer should be raising their prices if they don't know why. If you are at the 2k level and haven't figured out why you should
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Man, why didn't you just say that in the first place. That makes a whole lot more sense than what you wrote like 3 pages ago.

Serious - go back and read what you wrote. Now I got carpal tunnel from all this typing that I didn't have to do.



Mar 25, 2011 at 04:49 PM
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Let me be the first to say, brilliant. Eloquent, simple, solid. Thank you for taking time from your day to share your insights.

TRReichman wrote:
I checked in with the PPA/SMS people that I know and asked if in their experience any $2K wedding photography studios were making it. They laughed at the notion. I mean, I know that everyone here thinks they know better, but these people manage photography businesses as their core competency and have been doing so for longer than most of us have been photographers. All I can say, and I do this with as much support as I can offer, is that there is really no reason to be a $2K wedding photographer. As I tried to suggest to jcolman
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Mar 25, 2011 at 04:52 PM
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Sergio Mottola wrote:
the industry has to do with you, dummy.


You're being too cute. Pricing of your services should be governed by the rate you're willing to work for, and the price others are willing to pay you to work. This amorphous "industry" concept has no say on whether you should take the job or not.

Arka C.



Mar 25, 2011 at 05:06 PM
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p.10 #10 · Giving Discounts


Sorry if the way I flushed out what I was trying to get across got jumbled. Wasn't my intent to cause internal wrist injuries.


Mar 25, 2011 at 05:11 PM
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lordarka wrote:
You're being too cute. Pricing of your services should be governed by the rate you're willing to work for, and the price others are willing to pay you to work. This amorphous "industry" concept has no say on whether you should take the job or not.

Arka C.



says the starving artist. what if 3500 was considered a discount wedding?



Mar 25, 2011 at 05:12 PM
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p.10 #12 · Giving Discounts


Sergio Mottola wrote:
says the starving artist. what if 3500 was considered a discount wedding?


A world in which the base rate for a wedding is $3500 would be quite different from the one we live in. I imagine the barriers to entry would be a lot higher.

As it stands, a "discount" wedding in our modern world is $0. If someone is stupid/committed enough to spend his or her time shooting weddings for free, or for a pittance, who is the "industry" to prevent it?

Arka C.



Mar 25, 2011 at 08:55 PM
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p.10 #13 · Giving Discounts


Yaryman wrote:
Having read most of the posts on this thread the consensus seems to be you never discount,

unless of course the wedding is a 1.5K-2.0K shoot and burn across the country then you

should eat $650 in expenses and spend 3 days traveling to do the wedding.


Sounds about right to me. It's the same reason people pay to enter photography contests.



Mar 25, 2011 at 09:15 PM
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I'll tell you one thing that this whole thread did for me. I spent the last couple of hours rethinking my pricing, branding etc. I dumped my old "bronze, silver, gold, platinum" packages and went with something more fun. I also upped my pricing and offerings. I dropped my $1800 intro package and now start at $2100 and peak at $47,000. Yes, $47,000.

We'll see what happens.

Thanks to everyone, especially TRR, for their thought provoking insight and comments.



Mar 25, 2011 at 11:12 PM
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lol 47,000... i would think that is so stupid as a client that your top package is over 20x more expensive than your base. here's a thought, why don't you just charge a bit more for your base and not have such a silly top-end package?


Mar 25, 2011 at 11:42 PM
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p.10 #16 · Giving Discounts


I agree with Kurtis.

I would not take you seriously with a starting rate of $2100 and a top rate of $47,000



Mar 25, 2011 at 11:49 PM
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p.10 #17 · Giving Discounts


Guys, it's a marketing gimmick. Take a look at my website and you'll see what I mean.


Mar 26, 2011 at 12:05 AM
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Marketing gimmick or no, I wouldn't take you seriously. And I don't think it's haha-funny either, so it's a lose-lose. My dos penny'os.


Mar 26, 2011 at 12:12 AM
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TTLKurtis wrote:
Marketing gimmick or no, I wouldn't take you seriously. And I don't think it's haha-funny either, so it's a lose-lose. My dos penny'os.


I would think that a bride would see if differently. Obviously it's a gimmick but so is the way that Audi markets against Mercedes. With humor and panache.



Mar 26, 2011 at 12:52 AM
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Yeah but the difference is they have a marketing team and they do a good job at it. :P

Also, Audis don't go from 10k - 250k. The starting point is still luxury. Top-end is crazy luxury.



Mar 26, 2011 at 12:53 AM
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