....one of Sam's great shots was on a 50/2.5 macro. Dancing shot with that lens makes me laugh at the thought. I use the lens a lot, but not for that. Point is Sam got a great shot "early" in his career with a "non-pro" lens/gear. I bet that shot was on a 30D. Would you cringe if someone was rockin two 30's? 20"s? Stop worrying about the jones', and do what you are there to do.
RichardLavigne wrote:
if the photographer was shooting with a T2i and a kit lens... yes, the results were sub-par.
I once shot a print ad for Lenovo...you know the biggest computer company in China, the one that bought IBM's PC division, with a Canon 30D and kit lens. The photo was awesome.
but it was shot in a studio with good lighting and killer PS work on the back end.
jcolman wrote:
I once shot a print ad for Lenovo...you know the biggest computer company in China, the one that bought IBM's PC division, with a Canon 30D and kit lens. The photo was awesome.
but it was shot in a studio with good lighting and killer PS work on the back end.
cheater ..... this coming from the protographer himself .....
Ziffl3 wrote:
it is quiet easy ....
'pro' gear generally has different plastic/metals/glass.
there are different grades of metal/plastics/glass.
Then the different material will be processed thru different manufacturing techniques to obtain a higher quality product.
Bringing this home ..... one difference between a rebel and 1D series and even 5Dmkii/7D series is the shutter life.
Hmmm...another difference is you won't see pages and pages of threads with people complaining about the "focus issue" of their Rebels, a la the Mark III.
Patrick Elliott wrote:
Hmmm...another difference is you won't see pages and pages of threads with people complaining about the "focus issue" of their Rebels, a la the Mark III.
you speak the truth on this one.....
on POTN .... there is a thread going on why a 1DIV will not AI Servo when using ISO 6400, f2.8 and 1/15 of Shutter speed.
so you want to use tracking in the dark .... isn't that for the CIA?
Chris Beaumont wrote:
Surely the main problem is not "pro" vs "non-pro" gear. but how appropriate the gear is, someone mentioned Mel not using 'L' lenses....no, but she uses (among others) a host of fast primes....just because it's not designated as "pro" by Canon's marketing department, doesn't stop it being appropriate.
What ISN'T appropriate at a wedding is an f/4-5.6 kit lens when you're a natural light shooter working in a 17th Century British church where even at ISO3200 you're still only getting 1/15 at f/5.6....THAT is unprofessional, not the build quality of your lens........
EF400 5.6L - "pro gear"
EF 50 1.8 - "non pro"
Which would you rather have for the ceremony?...Show more →
400 f5.6 whoa...must be way in the back...lol
My 5D's are not pro and are 3 years outdated already nevermind my super ancient 20D which is 3rd backup. I only own one L lens these days, the other lenses I own don't even zoom! Both of my on camera 580ex's are originals not mkII and my strobes are the ultra cheap, simple and very yellow Alien Bees.
I hang my head in shame
That said following the 'deposit' thread, apparently as I'm 'only' using 4gb Sandisk Ultra's I'm letting the side down...
Beni wrote:
My 5D's are not pro and are 3 years outdated already nevermind my super ancient 20D which is 3rd backup. I only own one L lens these days, the other lenses I own don't even zoom! Both of my on camera 580ex's are originals not mkII and my strobes are the ultra cheap, simple and very yellow Alien Bees.
I hang my head in shame
That said following the 'deposit' thread, apparently as I'm 'only' using 4gb Sandisk Ultra's I'm letting the side down...
Screw you big man, I'm using a 5D with a 1Ds backup and even own a couple of 2GB cards.
hahaha, I LOVE topics like this and let me throw my .02 in.
I can care less WHAT equipment you use when I want a service completed. As long as the finished product is done is a professional and manner and looks professional, who cares. About the Laser Alignment, yes, a laser is better, only if you know HOW TO USE IT. I can use a tape measure and get an alignment done faster then on a rack but I know HOW to use a tape measure and two wrenches to do an alignment.
As for PROFESSIONAL GEAR FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS. This is where I laugh the most. Yes, you can go out and buy all the gear you want but if you dont know how to use it, it doesn't matter. I got married in the Cayman Islands and we flew John Unrue from Orlando Florida to the Cayman Islands to shoot our wedding. He was more than HALF of our total budget. Anyways, he was shooting on all pro nikon bodies and I was carrying a Canon s110 in my pocket. He grabbed it, took a picture of us making exposure adjustments and BINGO, you could not tell the difference between his Nikon or my tiny S110.
NOW, will my S110 last as long as his gear, NO WAY! Yes, one of the advantages of PRO gear is longevity but not all of it is SUPERIOR compared to some NON-PRO gear. When I first got back into photography I picked up a digital rebel. The original. I took 275k+ shots before the shutter died on it. While I was waiting for the Camera to die, I bought every lens I could before I bought another body and this was the best thing I could of done. I had a 24-70L and a 28-75 Tamron. I posted some pics with both lenses and EVERYONE said the Canon looked better, I disagreed and didn't say anything. a couple weeks later I posted two more side by side comparisons shot with the same lenses again but this time I claimed I shot the tamron shot with the Canon lens and Vice Versa.... EVERYONE jumped on the Canon and to their surprise it was the Tamron.
I feel some people think just because they are buying the best, they will get the best results. Not true at all, you need to LEARN how to use equipment before you will get GOOD results. If I handed you a Sniper rifle would that make you a sniper?? I bet if I handed a sniper a 10/22 he could still out shoot anyone around.
For the first 2 years of shooting studio family portraits, I used the 18-55 lens that came with the 20D... and did quite well with it.
I went to a family re-union with my T2i and 28-300 Tammie, and found that many of my nephews and nieces all had 5D II and L lenses (white ones, and one even had an 85 1.2L). I certainly couldn't afford to spend money on these expensive items when I was their age (18-20). Did they get awesome shots with their equipment? Hell yes. What made the difference in their photos compared to mine? The posing. The lighting. It only takes 5 seconds to learn how to aim the camera and which button triggers the shutter. It's taken me all this time to learn (and I'm still learning) how to pose (and how to make it look like it isn't set-up) and how to light or read the light.
I think a big issue is the durability of pro vs non pro gear. I get top of the line lenses and equipment because I spend less time and effort - to get the same results. You generally have to pay for high iso camera and the lower end cameras suffer when they get in the high iso ranges. As a wedding pro- I shoot in a lot of lowlight situations that a 50d, 60d would not do well in. You would be hard pressed to tell differences in normal daylight and good lighting, but when conditions get tougher are where pro equipment excels.
I dropped a 135 L a week ago from 2 ft onto concrete. nothing happened. I would dare to say a kit lens would hold up the same.
emandavi my point exactly. Besides formals, you have little control over lighting. So a lower end camera, with kit lens WILL be much harder to work with than a 5d2 with 35L. can you possibly get similar results? - maybe if the light is right. But I sure as heck as a pro am not willing to risk missing shots bc of a high grain at high iso camera/ slow lens at the cost of my wedding clients. I am a pro...so i will get equipment to do the job, and do it well.
Again - not saying a kit camera and lens cant possibly work or get similar results...but it is all dependent on conditions- and weddings you have little control over conditions.
Skill still reigns though. but I hope you get my point
Nothing may of happened to your 135L YET. I found out the hard way after I dropped a lens. It worked fine for about a month till it stopped focusing and couldn't manually focus it either as it was LOCKED UP. Took it to a repair shop and it ended up being the barrel that was off axis slightly which caused it to wear a grove into it and eventually locked up. There wasn't a scratch on the lens anywhere and the repair shop said this usually happens with these lenses. Also, elements can shift which could be real bad to try and replace. Barrel costs around $8, add on $120 for labor to replace, clean, and adjust. Depending on the element, I was told it can cost anywhere from $30-$200 per element. Ughhh..
Kenski youre missing the point. L lenses are far more durable than their kit counterparts - you in no way and sound mind can argue that. You do pay a premium for features like build quality, weather sealing, optical quality+glass, AF and coatings.
whether that premium is worth it or not is up to you, but there is a difference and anyone who says otherwise is a fool.
So, is my 10-22 EF-S lens junk then? Does it not take quality pictures on my sub-pro 7D's then? Yes, I use a 7D and thought about switching to a 1D series but at this time, I can not justify it. Why no 5D mkII? I honestly have no use for it as I can produce a quality picture with a 7D so I can not justify the price difference.
