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Archive 2011 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)

  
 
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p.15 #1 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


I agree with you Wayne.
About the LC comparison :
not too much comparison shots to my taste until now on the L.C blog...
two scenes only actually.
On the last shot f/2,8, Sorry I don't see any big (if any) differences between ZE 35/2 and 35L except changes in focus or differents curvatures of field and of course the narrower angle of the Zeiss. Maybe I would have preferred less complex scene @f/2 and moreover different lightning

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Mar 28, 2011 at 03:12 PM
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p.15 #2 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


Thanks for the posting the comparisons Wayne!


Mar 28, 2011 at 03:30 PM
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p.15 #3 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


carstenw wrote:
I do. I still don't see the problem in most of the results, but then, I am a huge fan of the Leica 80/1.4 Lux I don't mind a bit of a split-personality-disorder between f/1.4 and f/2.8. But really, as the Germans would say, this is really "jammern auf hohem Niveau" (difficult to translate perfectly: complaining at a high level). The 35/1.4 ZE looks to be very good, and I am sort of already beginning to save for one.


Just out of curiosity, have you used the Leica 35 1.4 R? I have a friend who is in love with that lens and I would be curious how it performs/ renders compared to this new Zeiss 35 1.4.



Mar 28, 2011 at 03:46 PM
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p.15 #4 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


No, not personally. As far as I understand from friends who have used it, it is very good, but not as good as the 50 Lux R, which is newer, and more modern. It is much better than the Leica 35/2, which I had and was mildly disappointed with, although I have seen great shots made with it. My guess is that the 35/1.4-R is overpriced, but if it is what you want, you get it anyway. Now that there will be an alternative, the lust for the Leica might fade a bit. I expect that the look will be as good as the Zeiss, but it will have less 3D, and with stop-down metering on a Canon, it is an acquired taste.

There are certain R lenses which I would place right at the top with the best M lenses, and anything Zeiss or anyone else has made, but it is not as long as the list of M lenses I feel similarly about. Some (many) of these I have not tried, so it is more a list of impressions, with a fairly high degree of certainty: 15/2.8, 15/3.5, 19/2.8 II, 28/2.8 II, 50/1.4 last model, 80/1.4, 90/2 APO (thanks Tariq), 100/2.8 APO-Macro, 180/2.8 APO, 180/2 APO, 280/4, and the APO Telyt triple set.

I should point out that the presence of the 80/1.4 in this list is not in any way an indictment of anything else in the list. It is a personal favorite of mine, and I know there are people out there who would rather buy a Rokinon or whatever else. The 280/4 is one of those perfect lenses in the world. I have never heard of anyone who has found any fault with that lens. The 180/2 is stunning, another personal favorite, but in the end I put my money towards the Nikkor 200/2 VR, another classic, for practical reasons. If I should ever get stinking rich, I will add the 180/2 to my kit.

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Mar 28, 2011 at 03:55 PM
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p.15 #5 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


I had hopes that the new lens would be comparable to the 35mm f/2 when stopped down, but have the look at the old 35mm 1.4 wide open. That would have been optimal for me, and it seemed possible given the high price and relative enormity of the lens. I'm still holding out hope for this, but I'm thinking it isn't likely anymore.

I would also be fairly happy with a lens as good as the 35mm f/2 at all apertures with the addition of a usable 1.4 aperture. In this case, you'd just be adding low-light / shallow performance for 2x cost. Again, easy to decide if it's worth the cash to me. Still, I don't think this is turning out to be the case because the new 1.4 isn't as good as the f/2 until f/2.8 or f/4.

At this point, my view of the evidence indicates that the new 35mm f/1.4 has: slightly superior performance to the f/2 stopped down f/4 to f/11 (as a landscaping lens); slightly inferior performance to the f/2 from f/2 to f/2.8 or even f/4; and head-scratching performance at f/1.4 (not as good as the old lens at f/1.4, requires ultra-low ISO, high veiling / softness, etc). If this is where the analysis ends up, this lens will present a much harder case for me. If, on the other hand, the performance at 1.4 is comparable to the old 1.4, I'm sold and willing to sacrifice the performance relative to the f/2 from f/2-ish - f/4-ish.



Mar 28, 2011 at 03:57 PM
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p.15 #6 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


trusty wrote:
On the last shot f/2,8, Sorry I don't see any big (if any) differences between ZE 35/2 and 35L except changes in focus or differents curvatures of field and of course the narrower angle of the Zeiss.


That, and the ability to do 3D, would be a huge win for the Zeiss then, since it is about half the price.



Mar 28, 2011 at 04:02 PM
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p.15 #7 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


JimU wrote:
thanks for the samples wayne.

Just have a question regarding the 21, is it typical to lose so much shadow detail with this lens?


The ZE 21 is a very contrasty lens but holds excellent shadow detail if you lighten it up a bit in cases like this.
I didn't do any processing on these comparison shots which were shot in low dusk light and I was trying not to blow the highlights on the green moss. The 21 is incredible for detail throughout the large DOF this lens has in landscape shots.



Mar 28, 2011 at 04:15 PM
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p.15 #8 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


Tariq Gibran wrote:
Ouch!

I wonder if LC's sample of this new ZE 35 1.4 is performing as it should.


yeah, I wondered this too awhile back in this thread but I would assume Zeiss would take note of LC's review and give him a better copy if they had one.



Mar 28, 2011 at 04:19 PM
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p.15 #9 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


carstenw wrote:
I do. I still don't see the problem in most of the results, but then, I am a huge fan of the Leica 80/1.4 Lux I don't mind a bit of a split-personality-disorder between f/1.4 and f/2.8. But really, as the Germans would say, this is really "jammern auf hohem Niveau" (difficult to translate perfectly: complaining at a high level). The 35/1.4 ZE looks to be very good, and I am sort of already beginning to save for one.


Yes, I am not a huge fan of the 80 'lux at 1.4, too soft for me. It is nice stopped down though.
Thanks for the new German phrase!
I would like to think that we have high standards around here and expect a lot from Zeiss and Leica!
Really, I hope this lens is better than what LC shows and maybe he has a bad copy. I am glad some people here will buy this lens and show us its good points. People here have their own different favorite zeiss lenses.

Like Luka has shown, the M 35/1.4 Asph is a beautiful sharp lens even wide open although it has FC and maybe not great corner sharpness. I don't like its rendering of OOF parts of the scene as much as the old CZ 35/1.4.



Mar 28, 2011 at 04:35 PM
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p.15 #10 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


carstenw wrote:
No, not personally. As far as I understand from friends who have used it, it is very good, but not as good as the 50 Lux R, which is newer, and more modern. It is much better than the Leica 35/2, which I had and was mildly disappointed with, although I have seen great shots made with it. My guess is that the 35/1.4-R is overpriced, but if it is what you want, you get it anyway. Now that there will be an alternative, the lust for the Leica might fade a bit. I expect that the look will be
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Thanks for the detailed reply. I have used the Leica R 28 2.8 E55 and, indeed, it lives up to the hype. Best 28 I have used. The other Leica lens I would love to get my hands on, which I see missing from your list, is the last R- 90 F2 APO Summicron. I really loved the rendering of the non APO version but it does suffer from some softness at certain distances.



Mar 28, 2011 at 04:37 PM
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p.15 #11 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


Argh, I missed the 90AA! Unforgivable, especially considering that I own the M version, and love it to death. I will add it to my post, thanks!


Mar 28, 2011 at 05:03 PM
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p.15 #12 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


.....but back to the topic at hand. The Flickr link that posts images with the ZE 35/1.4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/silver2silicon/sets/72157624855898822/) don't seem to demonstrate the strong veiling flare @1.4 that LC encounters BUT neither was the shooter testing on planar targets as LC does initially. The colors are sumptuous and bokeh of a pleasing nature. Lloyd's shots thus far are limited to his regular church facade target and a few forest scenes. I don't think I'm betraying some secret but those of you who subscribe will attest to the surprisingly strong veiling flare in those church shots at f/1.4-2, reminiscent of the old Nikon 35/1.4 AIS of all things, and in stark contrast to the Canon 35/1.4 L, where it's well controlled. Is it subject-dependent? Lighting? Sample variance? Who knows since no other reviewer has been granted a copy, save the few folks favored by Zeiss, including an earlier poster to this thread who hasn't shared images with us.


Mar 28, 2011 at 05:35 PM
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p.15 #13 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


Edward: I didn't think your comment was funny, just a third alternative to the emerging love or hate sentiments.

Wayne: I understand that we can use different criteria for lens rendering classification, and that we may reach different conclusions based on what aspect of the character we investigate.

However, in LC's comparison (engine in DV) between the 50/1.4P and the 50/2MP, I don't see any difference in the background blur in the Mid Zone. Also, Lloyd does not mention any difference in DoF, just different field curvature.



Mar 28, 2011 at 05:38 PM
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p.15 #14 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


j.liam wrote:
.....but back to the topic at hand. The Flickr link that posts images with the ZE 35/1.4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/silver2silicon/sets/72157624855898822/) don't seem to demonstrate the strong veiling flare @1.4 that LC encounters BUT neither was the shooter testing on planar targets as LC does initially. The colors are sumptuous and bokeh of a pleasing nature. Lloyd's shots thus far are limited to his regular church facade target and a few forest scenes. I don't think I'm betraying some secret but those of you who subscribe will attest to the surprisingly strong veiling flare in those church shots at f/1.4-2, reminiscent of the
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When I go to this flikr page, I only see small sized samples, nothing full size. I do think many of those samples would show the veiling glare if we could see the full sized samples. If they don't, then that would suggest LC has a bad lens.



Mar 28, 2011 at 05:41 PM
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p.15 #15 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


Tariq Gibran wrote:
When I go to this flikr page, I only see small sized samples, nothing full size. I do think many of those samples would show the veiling glare if we could see the full sized samples. If they don't, then that would suggest LC has a bad lens.


Click on any photo in the series, it enlarges the size and in the upper right hand, allows additional enlargement >> "view all sizes". Example:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/silver2silicon/5006847188/in/set-72157624855898822/lightbox/



Mar 28, 2011 at 06:03 PM
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p.15 #16 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


j.liam wrote:
Click on any photo in the series, it enlarges the size and in the upper right hand, allows additional enlargement >> "view all sizes". Example:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/silver2silicon/5006847188/in/set-72157624855898822/lightbox/


Yes, but the largest size available when I do that is only 1024 x 683 pixels. Are you seeing an original, larger size? Small sizes are pretty useless for evaluation purposes.



Mar 28, 2011 at 06:09 PM
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p.15 #17 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


Ditto on 1024 x 683. Seems the largest size possible. But in light of the paucity of samples out there, it is all that there seems to be out there. In any event, whatever that is posted does not seem to be lacking in fine detail in the areas of focus, as some of LC's samples appear to show.


Mar 28, 2011 at 06:10 PM
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p.15 #18 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


These samples are from the Zeiss marketing director, right. The Huntington Garden shots were shot with the prototype version last year. I remember seeing them.Not sure if any of these shots are with the production version. How can you check the dates on these shots?
The veiling is going to be hard to see at this small downsampled size and without a comparison shot to compare it against.
Also, needs to be a subject with enough fine detail, not a smooth car surface.



Mar 28, 2011 at 06:43 PM
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p.15 #19 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


I believe you're right on all accounts. There are photos of a Yankees game so I imagine they were taken sometime in the mid-to-late Summer of 2010.


Mar 28, 2011 at 07:14 PM
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p.15 #20 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


Took a few shots today, will upload to photobucket or something. Bad purple fringing/CA wide open when shooting against backlight/blown out areas. Haven't got a chance to use it at an event for cinematography yet but for photo.

Shot one or two at infinity and one at 10ish feet. These are really "snap shots" as I was shooting a love story at the same time and just popped a few shots off during location scouting.

Give me a bit of time to resize. Thanks



Mar 29, 2011 at 01:33 AM
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