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p.33 #1 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


Great sharp shot. I have a weakness for children's portraits ... what a sweet baby she is.




Apr 05, 2011 at 09:17 AM
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p.33 #2 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


I don't believe the new Nokton 1.2 is actually going to be any smaller, rather, what I've heard is that is was actually an error in the specs where the measured the old one with the hood and the new one without, resulting in a difference of a few millimeters.

Given they had to change the optical design slightly due to no longer being able to get one of the aspherical elements, there is a slight reduction of weight, but again, its just a few grams difference from what I recall reading.

Point being though that the new vs old lens is really going to be nothing more than an academic difference in terms of size/weight and not something you'd be able to really tell a difference in.

Now as for price, which is yet unknown, who knows if its going to cost more or less than the older version, likewise, optical performance differences are not known.

Could be a cheaper and better lens, or could be more expensive (which stands to reason as few products are going in price in this global economy)

Personally my guess is that the optical performance isn't going to be as good either. Reason being the change in design is due to a sourcing issue with one of the elements, not a redesign to improve the performance.

Of course it could very well remain about the same as well, but I just haven't found any of Voigtlanders new designs to be that good.

Nokton 35 1.4 for example, or the 28 2.8, both are at nice price point, but the optics are rather lacking.

The older Ultron 35 1.7 for example was a much better lens, as was the older Skopar 28 3.5 than the new 35 and 28's respectively.

Basically it seems with CV for the whole, their older designs, which are out of production, such as the Nokton 35 1.2, Nokton 50 1.5, Ultron 28 1.9, Color Skopar 28 f3.5 and Ultron 35 1.7 are all the best optics they have produced.

Exceptions of course are the CV12 and 15's which are a little better optically in addition to being now rangefinder coupled.

The 75 2.5, another decent but discontinued design is another example, being replaced with the 75 1.8, which cost twice as much, is much larger, and doesn't compare optically at all. Granted its called a "portrait" lens, and it could be said its very strong field curvature and off center performance is on purpose.

To some degree, I feel like its sort of a cop out on VC's part, producing lens with lots of issues such as vingetting, distortion and field curvature and saying they did it on purpose to recreate some older optical designs, such as an early Leica 35mm pre-asph Lux.

Thats all fine and good I guess, but you've got to wonder why recreate old and flawed 40 year old designs when modern optical design allows far better optics. Leica, Zeiss etc all have improved their designs over the years with the modern ZM and ASPH lineup (50 ZM Sonnar being an exception) and it seems VC used to be working that way as well with the Noktons but now they've taken a step backwards.

Or at least thats my thoughts on the matter.




Apr 05, 2011 at 10:51 AM
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p.33 #3 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


the new 35/1.2 does offer one advantage though, it focuses around 8 inches closer, which is significant for me. the mfd of .5 on the new nokton doesn't really compare to the mfd of .3 on my pen f 42/1.2 though, which is a focal length i like better, so i probably still won't get the new nokton unless samples show something really interesting in drawing style.


Apr 05, 2011 at 11:04 AM
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p.33 #4 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


sebboh wrote:
the new 35/1.2 does offer one advantage though, it focuses around 8 inches closer, which is significant for me. the mfd of .5 on the new nokton doesn't really compare to the mfd of .3 on my pen f 42/1.2 though, which is a focal length i like better, so i probably still won't get the new nokton unless samples show something really interesting in drawing style.


Out of curiosity regarding MFD, I've just never really understood the big deal regarding being able to focus, say 8 inches closer.

A MFD of 0.7m on a 50mm equiv lens has always seemed more than enough to me and at that distance the DOF is so razor thin as is, I can't see the useful of getting closer still. I've done literally thousands of headshots in my career and never once have needed to get that close to a subject.

I guess for shooting things like flowers perhaps where you really do want to get really close ?

I just otherwise can't see the need to be able to stick a camera within 2 feet of a subjects face



Apr 05, 2011 at 11:09 AM
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p.33 #5 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


Its worth mentioning as well that while we talk about how "big" the CV35 1.2 is, its really only "big" in regards to RF glass. Its really a pretty small lens overall, especially compared to 35mm DSLR lens, such as a Sigma 50mm f1.4 and darn petite compared to the typical 24-70 f2.8 2+lb zooms most people use.

As you can see in this photo, its actually no bigger than the sony 18-55mm kit lens, and in the other photo, you can see just how small some of the RF glass is.

The Zeiss 35c for example is just downright tiny, even compared to the admittedly ubercompact Sony 16mm compact.



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Apr 05, 2011 at 11:13 AM
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p.33 #6 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


Agreed that the mfd of the new Nokton is a major plus. Jeff, I'm not convinced about the length measurement with hood theory. Proportionally, the new Nokton looks shorter to me, but I'll have to find time to figure out their lengths in Photoshop.

Another consideration is that I have my Contax G 35, which falls in between my Nokton and C-Biogon in both speed and IQ. It is essentially a Summicron IV pre-ASPH in Zeiss clothing. Considering that I'm finding only around .5-.7 EV difference between the Contax and the Nokton wide open, I may just use the Contax for lower light.

edit: Jeff, it looks like were on the same page in those pics. I'm shooting the Sony 16, C-Biogon, Nokton 50 1.5...I just need that Nokton 1.2 lol



Apr 05, 2011 at 11:15 AM
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p.33 #7 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


millsart wrote:
Out of curiosity regarding MFD, I've just never really understood the big deal regarding being able to focus, say 8 inches closer.

A MFD of 0.7m on a 50mm equiv lens has always seemed more than enough to me and at that distance the DOF is so razor thin as is, I can't see the useful of getting closer still. I've done literally thousands of headshots in my career and never once have needed to get that close to a subject.

I guess for shooting things like flowers perhaps where you really do want to get really close ?

I just otherwise can't
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i often like to get a shot with just part of the face (katie posted a nice example of one of these recently in the alternative thread). i like these shots much more than standard head shot framing, if i want the whole head i'll step back and include more of the shoulders and background as well. i also shoot a fair number of close up abstracts.



Apr 05, 2011 at 11:25 AM
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p.33 #8 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


I guess from having a rangefinder background, where the MFD of the rangefinder itself is limited to 0.7m I just learned to work with that limitation, or use a longer focal length such as a 75 or 90mm for when I wanted to go tighter.


Apr 05, 2011 at 11:32 AM
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p.33 #9 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


millsart wrote:
I guess from having a rangefinder background, where the MFD of the rangefinder itself is limited to 0.7m I just learned to work with that limitation, or use a longer focal length such as a 75 or 90mm for when I wanted to go tighter.


makes sense, that and the inability to see dof have always been the big things turning me off from rangefinders.



Apr 05, 2011 at 11:42 AM
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p.33 #10 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


Its a double edged sword at times, can be tough with longer/faster glass, but at the same time, you can so easily and accurately focus wide angles with far more precision than any any phase detect SLR af system can do.

With a wide angle you just have no real idea what its focusing on, but with the RF system you can really see exactly the focal distance.

On a longer lens though, like a 75 Lux, not being able to see any DOF, in addition to having to compose with just the small framelines in the much larger RF window makes for some challenging shooting at times.

Of course that too is part of the fun, as the resulting photo is much different than what your seeing when your composing it. Your reality and way of seeing a scene is much removed from the resulting image.

I've found that both good and bad, as with a DSLR and a longer lens, I'm sort of in a tunnel view, only able to see a small slice of the situation, and with a narrow DOF, where with the RF, I'm composing basically the way I see with my eyes, overall wide view, infinite DOF etc, and selecting a small section of what I want to extract.

Neither better or worse overall, just different, and depending on the situation, I prefer a RF or a DSLR with a TTL view



Apr 05, 2011 at 11:54 AM
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p.33 #11 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


I wish someone would make a very thin e-mount macro tube, so that it could be used to bring in the minimum focus just a foot or two. Better yet, some kind of M to e-mount adapter that extends slightly when closer focus is needed.


Apr 05, 2011 at 12:12 PM
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p.33 #12 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


Douglas, I do that with my Industar LTM lens.
The lens is threaded onto the M mount adapter, which is then threaded onto the M-NEX adapter. The LTM allows for a shim in between the lens and mount; I found a thin shim of acrylic sheet brings the focusing down to 12" or so. You can vary this via layers.



Apr 05, 2011 at 01:54 PM
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p.33 #13 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


Very smart, dasrocket. Unfortunately, none of my lenses are screw mount, outside of an m42 Takumar, and it already focuses relatively close (I have unscrewed it a bit for closer focusing, though, in the past.)

I could, however, buy a cheap M to NEX adapter and take it apart and shim it, and then use it as my close focusing M adapter. Hmm...


edit* I just ordered a cheap, $20 M to NEX adapter that I'm going to try and shim for 1 ft. focusing.



Apr 05, 2011 at 02:03 PM
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p.33 #14 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


Finding out these solutions is part of the fun here.

I am also ordering the flip up screen on the "EVF" solution you offered here previously. Very smart Douglas.
george

douglasf13 wrote:
Very smart, dasrocket. Unfortunately, none of my lenses are screw mount, outside of an m42 Takumar, and it already focuses relatively close (I have unscrewed it a bit for closer focusing, though, in the past.)

I could, however, buy a cheap M to NEX adapter and take it apart and shim it, and then use it as my close focusing M adapter. Hmm...

edit* I just ordered a cheap, $20 M to NEX adapter that I'm going to try and shim for 1 ft. focusing.




Apr 05, 2011 at 02:26 PM
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p.33 #15 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


I had not seen that Nikon 50 E, George. Those look good, and that lens is nice and tiny.


Apr 05, 2011 at 02:51 PM
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p.33 #16 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


a few more from my kids shoot--don't worry they aren't mine, so my library is limited. This also from Sun, but with nikon 28/2
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5140/5586921451_8988ca31f5_b.jpg

here I missed the focus but it kind of worked out

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5016/5587510884_55aafdb9cc_b.jpg

and the Canon LTM 50 1.4:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5188/5587510148_95aa1247bf_b.jpg

all wide open



Apr 05, 2011 at 03:19 PM
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p.33 #17 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


douglasf13 wrote:
I wish someone would make a very thin e-mount macro tube, so that it could be used to bring in the minimum focus just a foot or two. Better yet, some kind of M to e-mount adapter that extends slightly when closer focus is needed.



I would guess that simply adding an adapter on top of an adapter would get you those few needed millimeters of distance needed, though of course its anyones guess how far you could actually focus with such a thing. Having to put on/off an adapter every-time you wanted to shoot between 1 foot min and 4 feet max might get old quick.

A diopter lens would probably be a better solution for close up shooting and certainly easier on/off.

Or probably just a FD or similar 50mm macro would be pretty cheap as well. Probably would give 1:2 or at least 1:2 mag and be far better corrected for close focusing than most lenses as its been purpose designed for a flat field.



Apr 05, 2011 at 03:26 PM
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p.33 #18 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


MIllsart, using the lens thread to rotate a lens in and out of the LTM to M mount works just like a belows in a sense with no light leakage and full infinity capability. It's like adding a macro helicoid -just remember to keep it from totally falling off the mount


Apr 05, 2011 at 03:49 PM
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p.33 #19 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


This isn't exactly about NEX images/lens, but I ordered one of the JTEC l brackets for my NEX5 the other day and just got it this afternoon and I've got to say its totally exceeded all my expectations.

Its very well machined, light as a feather and most importantly, super solid mounted to the camera.

I was at first concerned about how it was going to mount, as the NEX has just the small tripod screw at the bottom, however, they came up with a really clever design that has a little slot on the vertical part of the bracket that slides into the metal strap lug on the side of the camera.

This makes it impossible for the bracket to twist at all, yet still maintain a very minimal size. Small enough in fact you could leave it on all the time as its not in the way, nor does it add any noticeable weight. There is also a little slot in the bracket then you can thread a strap thru so your not giving up that ability with the bracket mounted.

Also I was very glad to see that both the horizontal and vertical dovetails line up perfectly with the lens axis, so if your doing any sort of pano work, this bracket will work great.

Its not a cheap item at $114, but as far as photo accessories go its quite a deal, and certainly cheaper than the likes of RRS etc, though every bit as well designed.

I highly, highly recommend one if you do any tripod based shooting as you can now easily mount/unmount the camera to any ballhead with a Arca Swiss style QR system, in addition to various nodal rails etc, and most importantly, there is now a way to shoot in the vertical/portrait orientation without having to drop the ballhead into the notch



Apr 05, 2011 at 04:26 PM
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p.33 #20 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


CV 38/3.5 an hour ago

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5069/5594064912_bdee677730_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5176/5594655216_126147bdc9_b.jpg



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