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p.223 #1 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


Nice Andrew! Where were these taken?


Feb 14, 2012 at 09:05 PM
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p.223 #2 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


Gary Clennan wrote:
Nice Andrew! Where were these taken?


Napier, New Zealand. I was just there on a family vacation. Took a few days to loop around the eastern cape of the North Island. It was absolutely beautiful, quiet, and off the beaten track so to speak.

Interestingly, I only took along the 5n for a break. A few M mount, ZM, and G mount. The 35-70mm is very good on the 5n, it can give a little magenta, but only at 35mm, and only if you are under exposed by at least 1 stop. Neither image above needed cornerfix BTW.

The WATE is equally good on the NEX7 at 16mm. At 18mm my ZM is sharper, but it needs cornerfix.



Feb 14, 2012 at 10:21 PM
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p.223 #3 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


Andrew, those images are superb, I especially liked the 2nd... wow!

Since you are probably one of the few (if not only) one here using the WATE on the 5N, would you mind giving a short summary of it's performance with your NEX (or NEXs plural)?



Feb 14, 2012 at 11:02 PM
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p.223 #4 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


what colors andrew

I did make a run north today late afternoon

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7182/6879340983_846433ef4b_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7053/6879402627_015043e5d5_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7188/6879344967_5898b51cc6_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7038/6879346449_f70e030fe9_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7209/6879343157_638d1eb3c5_b.jpg
50 cron, 180(#3) & 300 ED AIS



Feb 15, 2012 at 12:25 AM
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p.223 #5 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


briantho wrote:
Sure:

Hbl -> c/y
c/y -> nex


There is an hbl > nex and even a tilt version.



Feb 15, 2012 at 12:49 AM
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p.223 #6 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


old shots found on my hard drive.

rokkor 58/1.2 wide open:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7152/6767573175_b1573611fb_o.jpg
rokkor 24/2.8 stopped down:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7142/6767572993_c677f8ee25_o.jpg
pen f 42/1.2 at f/2(?):
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7152/6740784257_54e768d1b5_o.jpg
olympus OM 85/2 stopped down:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6686402663_7a38aa49bd_o.jpg



Feb 15, 2012 at 12:56 AM
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p.223 #7 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


briantho wrote:
After that comparison I'm confidently keeping my 5N., and skipping the 7, waiting for the next generation instead.


I'm doing the same. I wouldn't be surprised if 7N shows up in a couple of months,
including the touch screen. That's one feature I can't live without anymore.
Once you start using it every day, it's really hard to waste time scrolling around
the screen with two painfully slow arrow buttons...



Feb 15, 2012 at 01:11 AM
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p.223 #8 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


I agree with the disppointing touch screen omission. What were Sony thinking? But the 7 has now showed me than I can get more than from the 5N.


Feb 15, 2012 at 01:18 AM
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snowboarder wrote:
I'm doing the same. I wouldn't be surprised if 7N shows up in a couple of months,
including the touch screen. That's one feature I can't live without anymore.
Once you start using it every day, it's really hard to waste time scrolling around
the screen with two painfully slow arrow buttons...


+1

I want a NEX 9 with 16 MP FF with no AA filter , in a NEX 7 body..



Feb 15, 2012 at 01:43 AM
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p.223 #10 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


Thanks for these images, philippe. I am in agreement with carsten, the 7 is significantly stronger everywhere in the first pair of jpegs, more detail is sharply rendered. In the second pair, see how it (7) deals with the upper part of the tonal range? More brightness, more micro-contrast, the 5N is suddenly flat, with noisy murky shadows that become so too quickly. What is particularly pleasing is that the 7 image enhances fine detail colour separation as well as fine detail contrast.

'Even with the kit zoom, the difference between 5N and 7 is significant, of the same order of magnitude as between the 5 and the 5N IMHO.'

Optical science tells us it must be so, whether people agree or not. Total system MTF (IQ) = lens MTF times sensor MTF. Ceteris paribus, of course, but sensor tech moves apace these days, making high pixel density well viable, for a given format.

The big take home lesson is that high Mp sensors improve *all* lenses, as seen here...over a same 'per pixel' performing lower Mp sensor. The proportional difference will remain constant for a given lens. Of course better lenses contribute more to final IQ.

I bet you are thrilled, you ought to be. Sony just kicked another goal. Finally, very nice images, both sets. I must look into the same sensor A77 more closely for my SO's alpha mount lenses.



Feb 15, 2012 at 01:49 AM
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p.223 #11 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


UhOh, thank you! The summarit is an excellent lens indeed! It makes me drool over another leica lens, the 24 elmar and 75 cron, this thing never ends

Philipe, your last SF set gets even better!

Brian, that 110 lens seems like a real treat! great work with the tilt adapter..It inspires me to buy a tilt adapter for my Zeiss 100 MP

ulrikft2, what aperture is it taken? is the IQ at 1.2 usable on that lens?

Andrew, excellent colors! looks like you had excellent skies at your disposal

UhOh, Sebboh.. I like the last shot from both your sets



Feb 15, 2012 at 02:02 AM
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p.223 #12 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


More wonderful images.

Some memorables for me -

briantho - Hassie 100 shots of the church and the following image with the very early Christian cross, with 'norse dog' carving!

uhoh7 - many of those ongoing ski resort shots

Phillip Reeve - more great details of nature shots. Like the birch trunk and Highland cow, but also love many of your earlier posts.

Michiel - that first shot did it for me

Bob Israel (you don't expect me to remember than convoluted username do you?!) - the ongoing shots of Minneapolis

Andrew Gough - that wonderful 2nd shot in the Napier region




Feb 15, 2012 at 02:21 AM
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p.223 #13 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


TY lenticular11, very much

@sebboh--yes your last one is fantastic--all are superb.
@frezeiss #1 is very striking.
@ philippe enough teasing! My eyes hurt. Put that zm18 on the thing and lets see some real shots from it!
I prefer lens tests in the style of wfrank, both pretty and persuasive---like that jaw dropping paris shot of yours philippe. I will never badmouth the contax G 21 again--and I bought a zm18:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7177/6879928653_5bbfcf7b8c_b.jpg


Andrew showed just how vivid the 5n can shoot last page---don't know how hard he worked on the shots PP, but they are burning sharp on my screen.

Maybe we are finnaly going to see some signature stuff from the n7, but on the internet I'm afraid the M8 still outclasses all our fancy APS-C cameras. At 2k used they are damn tempting. I was hoping the n7 would be as distinctive, but not yet.

I love the images we are seeing these days here. The platfrom is so vesatile it makes all sorts of interesting images with glass of all description.

ANd the camera with the EVF is really fun to use--easy to carry.

But we know what we really want. One last step in development and it's nirvana




Feb 15, 2012 at 03:29 AM
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p.223 #14 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


lenticular11 wrote:
Bob Israel (you don't expect me to remember than convoluted username do you?!) - the ongoing shots of Minneapolis



Funny! That user name is from many years ago when I first joined FM back in 2003. I wonder if it's changeable?



Feb 15, 2012 at 07:10 AM
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p.223 #15 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


Philber, Not trying to start an argument but the shots of the canon are at different ISOs. 1600 for the 7, and 2500 for the 5N. Shouldn't they be the same for comparison?
John



Feb 15, 2012 at 10:32 AM
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p.223 #16 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


The Canons may be bigger than the Sonys but to compare them with a large gun is pretty harsh


Feb 15, 2012 at 10:49 AM
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ken.vs.ryu wrote:
There is an hbl > nex and even a tilt version.


Yes, I haven't tried those. The Hartblei tilt adapter looks to be much too short though, so I don't know if it's any good.



Feb 15, 2012 at 01:51 PM
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p.223 #18 · Sony (APS-C) Images Thread


Crosspost from the Alt Flowers thread, Leica R 60mm Macro (thanks Paul Yi) on NEX-5n:

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu292/pickmcg/f214-005.jpg

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu292/pickmcg/f214-004.jpg

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu292/pickmcg/f214-003.jpg

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu292/pickmcg/f214-002.jpg

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu292/pickmcg/f214-001.jpg



Feb 15, 2012 at 03:29 PM
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frezeiss
Very sharp images. Are these from the Summarit M 35/2.5? I read somewhere that it is sharp corner to corner wide open, but I have never seen images.



Feb 16, 2012 at 12:01 AM
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Now that I have used the 7 for a couple of quick shoots, I am amazed at how almost totally different from the 5N it feels.
First, the heft. 5N is a definite lightweight, not different, when fitted with a Contax G 28, from a "supercompact", such as the Canon G. It even feels a bit smaller/lighter than Fuji X-100 or Leica X-1. Not so with the 7, which more like a smaller DSLR, a tad more compact and more dense.
Then the user interface. As most users, I have grown very fond of the 5N's touchscreen, even though I didn't think much of it at first. I still touch the 7's screen and am fustrated that it doesn't help with viewing and focusing. And, instead of a great aid, all I get is a dirty screen..:-( Another item, the loupe. The NEX 3, 5 and C3 had, if memory serves, a 7X and 14x loupe. The 5N sports a less powerful 4.8x and 9.5x, less useful IMHO. The 7 goes halfway, with 5.9x and 11.7x. Probably the best compromise between magnification and usability if you ask me.
The Viewfinder. I tried the add-on on the 5N, and didn't buy. I found it very fiddly to put on, and flimsy to leave on. With the 7, it is just fine, and opens up a whole avenue of possibilities not easy with the 5N without viewfinder, such as very sunny days, or portrait shooting. That is hardly a minor point...
Peaking. With the 5N, I tried peaking, and always found myself more confused than helped by it, so I reverted to switching it off. With the 7, I was once in trouble focusing dark statues against a bright BG, with a low-contrast Leica zoom, so I tried peaking, almost as a last recourse, and hey-presto!, with the same settings (medium, red), it worked a breeze in the VF.
Focusing, and getting sharp images. The 7 is more sensitive than even the 5N to shooting under good conditions. Maybe something to do with pixel density. So I am unable to get clean pics at the same low shutter speeds that I achieved with the 5N, and my keeper rate for perfectly-focused shots is less. This could also have something to do with the fac that viewing a 7 pic at 100% is a more demanding exercise because of the higher magnification, and thus shows minor issues more glaringly.

In summary, my take on the 5N is that it is a fantastic go-everywhere use-anytime, moderately-priced system. I have now completed dozens of professional meetings with my bag-and-5-primes-and-tripod with me, with nobody the wiser. Which has allowed me to make pics before or after the meetings, which I couldn't have with a larger DSLR kit. And the IQ, when used with top glass, is very satisfying indeed, with the added thrill that others, looking on, totally underestimate the results you will get. Shooting with it held at waist level with the swivel screen tilted up was a revelation, and I would not today buy a smaller system that didn't let me do this, such as the Fuji X-1 Pro. But it does have limitations, such as the flimsy, outboard flash or VF, which detract from overall usefulness compared to, say, a Fuji X-100.

Not so the 7. Yes, while larger, the package is still a go-everywhere, use-anytime one, but no longer so moderately priced. And the integrated VF and flash round out its ability nicely beyond the 5N's. IQ is definitely better, but getting it out of the camera is no longer as easy and carefree as with its smaller sibling. The choice of lenses is severely restricted at the wide end. I tried my ZM 18, and it shifted horribly. My Contax G 28 shifted, but did not show mush in the corners, which leads me to think it can be Cornerfixed. My dealer tells me he has a client with an Elmar 24 who is very statisfied. That would be a blessing, as I have one on order. A Leica R 19 seems the logical way to go forward, but it is still a very restrictive choice, unless I go for a Conurus/Metabones setup and take one large lens (Distagon ZE 21) along for the ride. Overall, my guess is that the 7 is on a par with the 3/5 as to what is acceptable or not, shift-wise. That is not great...

So, as of now, I am still undecided as to the way to go. Dump the DSLR altogether, and keep two NEX bodies? The DSLR and a 7 only? Pass on the 7 and wait for the next generation? Keep the 7 and wait for the next generation? If I had to choose here and now, I would keep the 7 over the 5N, but not because of the extra IQ, desirable though it is. For the bonus of an integrated VF and flash, peaking that is a game-changer in touch situations, and an altogether better body. If only Sony hadn't left out the brilliant touchscreen, and had kept the AA filter off....



Feb 16, 2012 at 02:36 AM
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