Gochugogi wrote:
Some of you guys have stretched far beyond the definition of the term "racist" and are writing about something else altogether. Culture, nation and race have different definitions and can't accurately be interchanged. Derogatory remarks about the different values and customs of a country or its culture do not make one a racist. They may be anti-nationalistic (anti-American, anti-Canadian, anti-Socialist, etc) or anti-cultural (bow-wow religion, thumb nose at monogamous family structure, etc), but do not become racist until your remarks focus on differences in human appearance and/or abilities with the expression or implication these differences make a particular race superior/inferior to others....Show more →
To expect nothing but counterfeits from "China . . . the home of poisoned milk and lead/cadmium paint" may not fit the dictionary definition of racism, but it sure isn't "far beyond" the definition.
It is comments like these that perpetuate and promote racism. If "jingoism" better describes this
particular train of thought, then at best jingoism is racism's ugly little cousin. (I haven't used the term since high school)
For what it's worth, I don't think anyone here is accusing anyone else of being a racist . . .
you don't need to be a racist to make a racist remark. Sometimes our mouths (in this case fingers) work faster than our good sense.
In anycase, the fog (or smog) has lifted over the city, I'm going to go out and shoot a few before
it returns . . .
So what do you expect from China? The home of poisoned milk and lead/cadmium paint.
You forgot to mention 1001+ other toxic items produced from China... I tried to avoid buying anything that "made in China" as much as possible, even though I know I will have to pay more, but I rather pay it now than pay it later, and support the local economy: buying from made in good old USA. Don't even mention the word racism to me. This is my personal buying philosophy, as I only buy Japanese's cars for decades until the American car maker can do it better!
haha! there are always to two sides to a coin ... many foreign companies are making some huge$$$$$$$ in China ... not forgetting many expats are having a 'jolly good time' here too. which explains why many are not leaving, in fact some have hoped to stay for good!
Spec3R33 wrote:
Yes, I thought the shop was legitimate since it was located on the main road of the electronics district in Shen Zhen and had the Canon logo on its store front as well
as several different types of cameras in its showcases with quite a few customers making purchases in the store. The salesman even had the Canon logo printed on his business card.
I've felt physical stores are a safer place to purchase items since they can't close up and move to a different location easily (sellers have actually used this as a selling point to ensure the quality of their products.)
I feel that I did take several precautions to safeguard myself, and had it not been for a rival store
telling me to do a side by side comparison (the copy is that good), I probably would not have known the difference. I guess this is a case of live and learn. ...Show more →
Somewhat related, I have learned to stay away from electronics stores in tourist cities because of the shadowy practices. Orlando and Miami are notorious for selling gray market or "knock off" merchandise. I have dealt with some retailers in New York that do the same.
Rob001 wrote:
I have no problem with 3rd party manufacturers who are putting out compatible products. I have a problem when I THINK I'm buying a genuine Canon product and it's not. Now you're adding fraud to the list.
+1
My personal experience with 3rd party batteries is they hold their charge poorly despite their claimed specs.
Spec3R33 wrote:
To expect nothing but counterfeits from "China . . . the home of poisoned milk and lead/cadmium paint" may not fit the dictionary definition of racism, but it sure isn't "far beyond" the definition.
It is comments like these that perpetuate and promote racism. If "jingoism" better describes this
particular train of thought, then at best jingoism is racism's ugly little cousin. (I haven't used the term since high school)
For what it's worth, I don't think anyone here is accusing anyone else of being a racist . . .
you don't need to be a racist to make a racist remark. Sometimes our mouths (in this case fingers) work faster than our good sense.
In anycase, the fog (or smog) has lifted over the city, I'm going to go out and shoot a few before
it returns . . . ...Show more →
Sometimes we try a little too hard to be PC but too many forget basic manners when on the internet. All you need is a wee bit 'o common and sense and consideration for the feelings and well being of others and you'll stay out of trouble most of the time.
wickerprints wrote:
It's true that a lot of counterfeit goods are manufactured in China. It's also true that Chinese cultural attitudes are somewhat permissive toward the notion of imitation. The philosophy is that if you like something, you try to copy it, which of course is hardly always the right thing to do. And it's also true that the lack of regulation and accountability is highly problematic for consumer safety and protection against fraud.
But to say the above without pointing out the fact that there are just as many such scandals in the US or other countries is, in my opinion, racist. Americans, for all their FDA, USDA, and FTC "oversight" and claims of government regulation, are just as beholden to corporate greed and cutting corners. The US has had multiple E. coli O157:H7 contamination scares that have resulted in deaths from eating tainted beef and spinach. And more recently, there was the egg scandal that exposed unsanitary conditions in large factories handling eggs. But when you hear the reports in the news about these issues, Americans think, "our government isn't doing enough to protect us," not, "we are so addicted to cheap, pesticide- and antibiotic-laden factory-farmed food that we perpetuate a system that produces toxic food."
But when the US media reported on the Sanlu dairy scandal in China, what conclusions did Americans draw? "Chinese corporations are evil because they would dare to poison their babies with melamine," and "this happened only because China is notorious for their lack of regulations of counterfeit products and consumer fraud." Excuse me? As horrific as Sanlu was, Americans are hypocritical for thinking that their s*** don't stink. The only difference between the US and China is that the US claims to be more strict about protecting consumers, but the reality is that both countries do a terrible job with consumer safety.
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wicker, I have to agree.
When you look at things now its China, its at the cusps of economic "superpower-dom" If you look at the US in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, wasn't corporate US guilty of as many wrongs as the chinese now ? Maybe even more ...as news was not so well spread back then ?
You can't really compare between 2 countries when you choose to ignore the 'skeletons in the closet' of one and point out the cadavers on the floor of the other.
As was pointed out, if you stop buying, they will stop producing.
my subjective rating of US and China of corruption, greed, health scandals, malfeasance of government etc etc etc would be
China 95/100 (100 being worst)
USA 85/100
Let me say, I personally will not touch food from China if it can be avoided and I know many people that have come to this point too. We are sick of seeing the results of test after test showing the food to be tainted with so many chemicals it's just disgusting. Not saying that this does not happen in other countries but usually not on such massive scale. US however, is also very poor for hygiene in the food industry and my wife's company makes a fortune selling diagnostic kits for food poisoning in the US. EColi, Salmonella, Campylobacter etc outbreaks are far too common in the US. Good to see the proposed new overhaul of Food Safety in the US is already being attacked by the Republicans and will no doubt be gutted at the behest of big business affected by the changes.
All I wanted was a spare battery for my new 60D and some how I ended up here. I'm glad to know there're knock off and will watch for it, so no ebay for me.
carlsbadbum wrote:
All I wanted was a spare battery for my new 60D and some how I ended up here. I'm glad to know there're knock off and will watch for it, so no ebay for me.
There are some good batteries out there too. We have 12 of these :
They work just like the Canon batteries but without the Canon badge, box or price. < $16 each! Charge on a Canon charge. The battery meter works, they last about the same time as the Canon and every battery has a unique serial number.
I've had a couple of cheaper ones that don't work as well, which is why I went back to the say guy to buy more once I found these worked well.
It's hard to find non-counterfeit components in China, even Chinese manufacturers have this problem where designs are failing because of counterfeit ICs that do not perform to the specifications on the datasheet.
Modern Lithium-Ion batteries are designed with ICs embedded, some in an attempt to maintain manufacturer exclusivity, but others do serve useful purposes like a coulomb-counting IC or a supervisor IC that prevents overcharging / overdischarging. The latter important as a safety feature, removing it will not cause the battery to fail under normal operation, but it will result in a battery that is a safety hazard if overcharged / overdischarged.
