baumgarten0712 wrote:
Yes, I would say it comes very close to my D700 in noise control. I would give about a 1/2 stop edge to the D700 at the higher ISOs, however, if I were to uprez the D700 to 14.2 mp, it would probably be pretty close.
Yes, you have to equalize the resolution to get the whole story, looking at 100% crops from different resolution sensors tends to throw folks off.
I can't remember if how the debate went as to if it's more realistic to downsize the larger image or upsize the smaller. Depends on your target print or presentation size I'd guess.
Jammy - Exactly! I am not huge into the "this" or "that" debate. I look at real world situations and have printed a few on my 3800. I print 8 x 10 inch photos so they are equivalent to 20 x 30 inch photos in the real world. The results are superb!
How about some SOOC pics? No PP, it's hard to see the raw ability with the NR software in place. I would expect D3100's sensor is about as good as D5000, It's not possible that Nikon would use someting performing even close to D300s or D700, just not likely for so many reasons.
visionguru wrote:
How about some SOOC pics? No PP, it's hard to see the raw ability with the NR software in place. I would expect D3100's sensor is about as good as D5000, It's not possible that Nikon would use someting performing even close to D300s or D700, just not likely for so many reasons.
Uh, why not? If the technology is there, they'll use it.
I'm very familiar with how my D700 looks, and I'm telling you that this is clearly in the same realm. It is clearly superior to the D300/90, at least to my eyes.
I have both the D700 and the D3100. I have previously owned the D300s and the D90. The D3100 is superior by at least a stop to the D90 / D300s. When comparing the noise between the D3100 and D700, it comes very close. As I stated earlier, about a half stop short (although it has more resolution).
I can only imagine what the D7000, D400, and D4 will be able to do in the future!
It's definitely a stop better than the D90, with which I am very familiar. It is so good I almost feel like baumgarten is going to say "Gotcha!" or something. I hope he doesn't. That ISO3200 is very detailed. Hopefully DPReview will get a review ready soon, too.
luminosity wrote:
Uh, why not? If the technology is there, they'll use it.
I'm very familiar with how my D700 looks, and I'm telling you that this is clearly in the same realm. It is clearly superior to the D300/90, at least to my eyes.
I'll be surprised if Nikon first releases newer generation technology in the lower end models first. That doesn't make good business sense.
I'm familar with D700 and D5000/D90/D300 too. Most pictures seem pretty well lit. The ISO3200 indoor flower picture seems very noisy, that was after the OP applied two rounds of NR. I'm not sure it's better than D5000, certainly no match for D700.
visionguru - You are entitled to your opinion and my goal is not to persuade anyone that the D3100 is better than this camera or that camera. I am, however, stating what I see and comparing that knowledge to the other cameras I have used. As for NR, I have applied mostly color NR and a slight amount of luminance NR in LR3 (Tiff). It could be pushed a lot more if I preferred. I actually like a bit of grain in my images, but that images does not seem to be overly noisy, especially considering the situation.
I feel that it is better than the D90/D5000 cameras in noise abilities and slightly below the abilities of the D700.
luminosity wrote:
You're very, very wrong. This is definitely close to D700 quality.
If I'm wrong, that's very good. If I'm very very wrong, then that's VERY VERY GOOD.
baumgarten0712 wrote:
visionguru - You are entitled to your opinion and my goal is not to persuade anyone that the D3100 is better than this camera or that camera. I am, however, stating what I see and comparing that knowledge to the other cameras I have used. As for NR, I have applied mostly color NR and a slight amount of luminance NR in LR3 (Tiff). It could be pushed a lot more if I preferred. I actually like a bit of grain in my images, but that images does not seem to be overly noisy, especially considering the situation.
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baumgarten0712 : I really appreciate your post. Frankly, I don't have an opinion regarding D3100 (I just heard its existance), just that I feel your pictures are too good to reveal the RAW capability of the camera. If the pictures were straight out of camera, I would defintely have been convinced.
From now on, I'll keep eyes on the D7000 and D3100, sounds very promising so far.
visionguru wrote:
The ISO3200 indoor flower picture seems very noisy, that was after the OP applied two rounds of NR.
If you feel that image is very noisy, then you most likely are suffering from internet noise hysteria syndrome and should probably shoot some ISO 400+ print film for comparison.
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Even the 6400 image of the rose with a bit more sharpening could make an excellent 11x14" or larger print. The noise in these images looks tight and well controlled, very grain like.
Looking at these images at 100% is roughly like sticking your nose in a 46x30" print. That's over 3 ft wide. You're not getting anything close to an accurate ideal of quality in real life use. Be that 700 pixel wide internet photos or the average 8x10 from an event that might necessitate you shooting at such high ISO's.
