This is why I always, ALWAYS buy used, unless there is a stellar promo going on. I bought a 30D for $1499 and sold it 6 months later for $800 (still stings, lol).
On a positive note, I bought an XSi EF-S kit (18-55IS + 55-250IS) for $729 new in July of 2009. Sold the 18-55 for $90 and the 55-250 for $185. I sold the XSi body in March for $400. So basically I got to use the camera (to make some amazing shots) for 8 months for $40...
Personally, I highly doubt there will be a new 5D this year. And Canon wouldn't put out a new 5D w/o upgrading their flagship camera...
I was going to buy a refurb. 5DMII from the canon loyalty program but it seems that they never have them in stock, whenever i called they were out. And due to some financial difficulties right now I decided to wait till maybe next year when the MIII comes out, and hopefully it would lower the MII prices.
I think the pricing of the MIII would loargley depend on what other manufacturers (mainly Nikon, Sony), price their new full frame cameras.
HBOC wrote:
This is why I always, ALWAYS buy used, unless there is a stellar promo going on. I bought a 30D for $1499 and sold it 6 months later for $800 (still stings, lol).
Was it abused? That's a stiff penalty for 6 months, but I assume you sold it when the 40d came out.
Even in perfect condition the 30d was a 20d with a couple of changes and while a perfectly good camera, it was never anything really special. I bought a new 20d for $1500 and sold it for $800 too, but it was well over a year later
sergiodg wrote:
There is quite a shortage, a sign the 5D II is imminent? If I understand right its price has been lowered.
If a (let's say) "5D III" comes out, what will happen to the value of a still under warranty 5D II?
I might be tempted for another upgrade and will hate to see the value of the 5D II fall considerably (20%- 30%)?..
If it was urgent to buy a 5DII I wouldn't ask this question. The need is there already just wanting to ask if it makes sense from a camera value point of view and time of purchase.
It is also an interesting topic to learn about the typical product management and strategy of Canon.. of course without having to use a crystal ball, what happened in the past to the value of the old camera with the introduction of the new one?...Show more →
my guess is you won't be able to get a MkIII in your hands before next october or november
FWIW: I just sold my 1DsMkIII and went back to the 5D MarkII. The 1D is clearly a better build. But my own experince was that the IQs were very very similar. I find the 5 easier to maneuver...but darn that shutter is so loud ("boink!") compared to the pro body.
dhphoto wrote:
To the point that with careful RAW processing I simply can't tell the difference and ZERO banding from the 5DII !
I've said it before, the 1Ds3 just isn't worth 3 times the price of the 5DII
If image quality is your only parameter, for sure. But keep in mind many of us shoot action, many in difficult conditions, so we may place a higher value on autofocus performance, durability etc.. Don't get me wrong I LOVE my 5D2, but it is not the best tool for a lot of what I shoot. As with anything priced with relative value, compromises must always be made somewhere. And for someone that makes a living taking pictures, equipment compromises aren't high on the wist list
I agree completely Chris, we pro's need what we pro's need.
But there is still no justification IMO for the huge price difference between the 1D series and the 1Ds series, not if Canon can make more or less the same sensor for the 5DII at the cost they do
dhphoto wrote:
I agree completely Chris, we pro's need what we pro's need.
But there is still no justification IMO for the huge price difference between the 1D series and the 1Ds series, not if Canon can make more or less the same sensor for the 5DII at the cost they do
If you've ever tried and missed to capture a once in a lifetime image of a rock star making a leap onstage while you had your weak outer AF point enabled on your crippled 5D2 then the word "justification" just isn't strong enough. Once again I love my 5D2, but if the shot matters and the subjects are moving, then it is in the bag where it belongs.
Canon can comfortably make a high performance camera, (including it's AF system) in the 1D series, but charges twice as much for effectively the same camera with a bigger sensor. We know the sensor isn't THAT costly, because they put a similar one in the 5DII
Canon can comfortably make a high performance camera, (including it's AF system) in the 1D series, but charges twice as much for effectively the same camera with a bigger sensor. We know the sensor isn't THAT costly, because they put a similar one in the 5DII
Hmmm. I'm not so sure about that. There are many other refinements that go into a 1D series body other than the sensor. You can buy a Ford (great car) or a Mercedes(great car). After all, its just an engine with a bunch of panels bolted to a frame, right?
Canon can comfortably make a high performance camera, (including it's AF system) in the 1D series, but charges twice as much for effectively the same camera with a bigger sensor. We know the sensor isn't THAT costly, because they put a similar one in the 5DII
If you're referring to the 1Ds3 price when it came out, you have to remember the "bleeding edge" premium that is on every top-of-the-line best-of-the-best product that comes to market. There were many pros, myself included, that when offered a 21 megapixel, low noise, full frame sensor in a 1 series body, said "Who do I write the check out to and for how much?"
newseum wrote:
Hmmm. I'm not so sure about that. There are many other refinements that go into a 1D series body other than the sensor. You can buy a Ford (great car) or a Mercedes(great car). After all, its just an engine with a bunch of panels bolted to a frame, right?
What are the differences between the 1D3 and 1Ds3 apart from frame rate and sensor size?
dhphoto wrote:
What are the differences between the 1D3 and 1Ds3 apart from frame rate and sensor size?
Yet one is (or was) twice the price of the other.
The 1Ds3 has to transfer twice the amount of data that the 1D3 does. They probably have to widen the data path between the senor and the Digic chip at the very least. Thats one of the big differences between the 1Ds3 and the 5D2 - the shadow banding that some people see in the 5D2 is a result of a lower quality data path. Banding noise typically occurs because of interference between adjacent data channels. I'm no electronics engineer but it might be the reason why the 1Ds3 costs so much more than the 1D3 and 5D2.
vpk24_astro wrote:
Thats one of the big differences between the 1Ds3 and the 5D2 - the shadow banding that some people see in the 5D2 is a result of a lower quality data path.
I find it hard to believe that Canon would dare sacrifice image quality to differentiate their camera bodies. Not when their Rebel bodies have been known to have just as good IQ as the higher end APS-C bodies.
Why cry for a 5d3 ? Is it really that wanted ? What are the 5d2 flaws? AF performance and weather sealing ? That's present in the 1 series.
If Canon were to make a 5d3 with the 7D's AF , plus better sealing and say 27Mp...what would the 1Ds4 MUST be ? I can't even imagine such a thing...
One thing is for sure. Specs are maxed out (although AF is still an issue).
For new cameras to sell, they must offer something new. Something you do not have today in the current lineup. Something like the new inventions from last year : MicroAdjustment , Video , tilt screen --- but these are "mere" reasonable features.
For a 5d3 to sell they need a REAL NEW feature. That is why it wont come out until the INVENT it !
I cant see a 5d3 soon, maybe a 5d2N with better AF (but I doubt that as a 5d2 with even 7d AF would hurt the hell out of 1ds series sales), but not a new sensor. I guess would be the 1ds4 would get the new FF sensor then 6-12 months later a 5d3 would get the same sensor. I cannot see the 5d line getting a significantly improved sensor before the 1ds4 is out and canon seem to be trying to keep down the number of sensors they make so it would make sense for the 5d3 to use the 1ds4's sensor just in a semi crippled body and 6-12 months later. I could be entirely wrong, just my thoughts.
? I can't even imagine such a thing...