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p.2 #1 · Flash Bracket help!


I've said it once, I'll say it again... Newton Custom Bracket.

My Newton Camera Bracket is TINY, and RUGGED. It helps bounce, hold the flash off the the side (in horizontal mode), keep the flash head perfectly over the axis of the lens in vertical mode.

-Tim
Red Vine Studios
http://redvinestudios.com



Mar 21, 2010 at 01:19 PM
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p.2 #2 · Flash Bracket help!


Anyone want to buy my two Stroboframes? Like new, only used for two weddings, and only used for about 10 minutes at each!

Invest in a light stick and a helper. You'll be much happier.



Mar 21, 2010 at 02:34 PM
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p.2 #3 · Flash Bracket help!


Flash brackets are like Nickelback....


Mar 21, 2010 at 03:15 PM
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p.2 #4 · Flash Bracket help!


In a flash bracket, you want two things most.
1. Very Tall/High elevation of flash, short brackets are no good.
2. Comfortable grips for all day use.

I highly recomend a bracket with a palm rest on the front under the lens.
This is the usual place you support your camera (lens) and without it you will hate the braket if you have to hold it anywhere else for a long time.

The image below shows a bracket with no palm rest:

http://store.pictureline.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_3492.jpg

Here is a man holding a bracket without a palm rest.
http://www.hotshoeinternational.com/files/user/1192809985174_2400.jpg


This frame has a palm rest:

http://www.adorama.com/images/large/SB310700.JPG
http://iqmatters.smugmug.com/Photography/Cameras/BK1web/816082437_26KCu-X3.jpg
Stroboframe Pro-RL Flash Bracket

http://www.tiffen.com/catalogimages/300-300_RL2000_Lg.jpg
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images345x345/621310.jpg
Stroboframe RL 2000 FLASH BRACKET

This image shows the photog using a palm rest to support the bracket:



Here's another design some like:
http://static.photo.net/attachments/bboard/00Q/00Q944-56427684.jpg

Here are a few photos of the braket used by the awesome photog who did my wedding.

http://iqmatters.smugmug.com/Photography/Cameras/JenDon/815709978_NDapk-XL.jpg

http://iqmatters.smugmug.com/Photography/Cameras/DSC00027/815709998_sizAF-XL.jpg

http://iqmatters.smugmug.com/Photography/Cameras/DSC00032/815710008_GfL2n-XL.jpg


Custom Brackets are about the best and tallest but many good ones are out there.


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Mar 21, 2010 at 03:31 PM
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p.2 #5 · Flash Bracket help!


Bracket Brands:

Bogen Manfrotto
Custom Brackets
Gary Fong Lightsphere-2 System
Jones flash brackets (Veach)
JustRite Bracket Company
Kirk
Newton N7400
Quickflip
RX Camera Accessories
Stroboframe Pro-T
Wimberley brackets



Mar 21, 2010 at 03:55 PM
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p.2 #6 · Flash Bracket help!


Hehe, this is worse than Canon vs Nikon... lol.

-Tim



Mar 21, 2010 at 04:20 PM
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p.2 #7 · Flash Bracket help!


Just a question for those who say "No bracket, just bounce your flash." How do you deal with the shadows being off-center when you are shooting in portrait orientation?

<Chas>



Mar 21, 2010 at 04:22 PM
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p.2 #8 · Flash Bracket help!


cwebster wrote:
Just a question for those who say "No bracket, just bounce your flash." How do you deal with the shadows being off-center when you are shooting in portrait orientation?

<Chas>


See I know for a fact, that my images look better than just regular bouncing. Many times, I'll be in vertical mode, but desire my flash to angle to the side while mounted to the bracket. I have adjusted my bracket to just have enough give to switch modes quickly, but still enough grip to allow placement whereever I like.

It's an indispensable tool, and I wouldn't be here without it.

With that all said and done... really all I'm doing is getting my flash "more" off the camera than normal, but I require and demand precise control and that's what my bracket allows me to do.

I really wonder how many of the "non-bracket" people, also shoot with two cameras, or wear special harnesses for such things.

As I tell me clients, to each their own, and I'll never put down a non-bracket person, but let's all agree that it's a tool that many use, and quite well.

Let's elevate & educate each other, instead of degrading.

-Tim
Red Vine Studios
You know the WWW



Mar 21, 2010 at 04:29 PM
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p.2 #9 · Flash Bracket help!


Wow, i really opened a can of worms, I am really rethinking the stroboframe, looking at custom brackets, i have used a stroboframe multiple times before, and enjoyed mostly for the fact the the flash is on axis.


Mar 21, 2010 at 04:52 PM
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schristie11 wrote:
Here is a man holding a bracket without a palm rest.
http://www.hotshoeinternational.com/files/user/1192809985174_2400.jpg


For some reason, this reminds me of orthodontic head gear...

http://www.creatingsmiles.net/_media/protraction-headgear.jpg



Mar 21, 2010 at 05:51 PM
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p.2 #11 · Flash Bracket help!


I looked at custom brackets down at Mid West Photo and liked them. I wasn't sure if I'd be using one that much due to so many mixed opinions so I bought an RPS bracket just to see how it works.

The RPS is cheap and gets the job done. I also love how the flash height is easy to adjust and it extends way above the camera. The down side is the bracket is made pretty cheap, and the design is not very ergonomic.

I definitely will be using a bracket for the majority of the wedding photos I take, but I'll also be getting a better bracket in the near future.



Mar 21, 2010 at 07:41 PM
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p.2 #12 · Flash Bracket help!


Thats what i figure, might as well spend the money in the beginning and get a better bracket, than sink more in after.


Mar 21, 2010 at 07:46 PM
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p.2 #13 · Flash Bracket help!


schristie11 wrote:
Bracket Brands:

Bogen Manfrotto
Custom Brackets
Gary Fong Lightsphere-2 System
Jones flash brackets (Veach)
JustRite Bracket Company
Kirk
Newton N7400
Quickflip
RX Camera Accessories
Stroboframe Pro-T
Wimberley brackets

Nickelback should also be on this list
freakin pandora



Mar 21, 2010 at 09:05 PM
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p.2 #14 · Flash Bracket help!


Tiffen now owns Stroboframe and have seen many sites Rename the Brand of the bracket!
The original part number is the same on this website below:

Tiffen PRO-RL BRACKET (renamed) Stroboframe Pro-RL Flash Bracket
Part #:310-700
http://www.abesofmaine.com/item.do?item=TF310700&id=TF310700&l=DEALTIME

I personally prefer the Stroboframe Pro-RL like in the photos I posted, but this was not the first one I bought. I underestimated how high the flash needs to go and also my need for a support handle under lens. My old Stroboframe Press-T is very nice and strong and lets me use the camera side and bottom grip to support the whole thing. Now, I prefer the new larger Stroboframe Pro-RL Flash Bracket.
I use it with my 1Ds III and 580 EX II and maybe a battery pack added on too and it's not a burden or uncomfortable.


Stroboframe Pro-RL Flash Bracket (renamed Tiffen PRO-RL BRACKET)
http://www.adorama.com/images/large/SB310700.JPG
http://iqmatters.smugmug.com/Photography/Cameras/BK1web/816082437_26KCu-X3.jpg



Mar 21, 2010 at 09:29 PM
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p.2 #15 · Flash Bracket help!


I shot my first wedding yesterday... I used the Wedding Pro bracket by RSS. However.. the only time I should need a bracket... is if I am going to use direct flash... so if the venue has places to bounce the flash,.. then the bracket can stay in the camera bag..

If I need direct flash, then I will mount the flash on the bracket.. and use a diffuser on the flash head.. but for anything else, then bounce is going to be better... no?



Mar 22, 2010 at 11:14 AM
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Travis Harris wrote:
I shot my first wedding yesterday... I used the Wedding Pro bracket by RSS. However.. the only time I should need a bracket... is if I am going to use direct flash... so if the venue has places to bounce the flash,.. then the bracket can stay in the camera bag..

If I need direct flash, then I will mount the flash on the bracket.. and use a diffuser on the flash head.. but for anything else, then bounce is going to be better... no?


Well that's why people asked about veritcal shooting. How to acheive a totally pleasing bounced look in vertical mode? I know that if you bounce in vertical mode that you will have the flash pointing out the the side, and then you have to bend the flash head to a desired angle, etc. The flashhead now has a vertical profile.

When I use my Newton Custom Bracket which is small, rugged, durable, and useable, it allows my flash head to remain over the axis of any lens I chose to use. The light is always where I desire it to be, never the other way around. And this statement is made, in the fact that in my 5 years of professional shooting for myself and others that I've never once, had to put my flash head in direct mode for fill light or bounce or anything. A good, non-obtrusive bracket and a Joe Demb Flip It will entail great results, over and over, and over.

Do you shoot with a grip, no grip? Do you use the AF shutter function of the custom function backfocus button on many of the new cameras or 1 Series of Canon cameras? All of these little things add up to a single users experience. Which is why I keep saying this "opinion" of brackets is SO objective.

It's a muddled question... what all that really matters is that it works for some and doesn't work for others, much like all things camera related, it comes down to the user and his or her experiences.

In the end... no matter if anyone else will admit it or not, brackets are just a tool, like any other photo-related item.

-Tim



Mar 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM
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p.2 #17 · Flash Bracket help!


Tim,

What is this custom function you are speaking of? What does it change?



Mar 22, 2010 at 12:37 PM
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p.2 #18 · Flash Bracket help!


Travis Harris wrote:
Tim,

What is this custom function you are speaking of? What does it change?


http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2286

Explains it ALL straight from the proverbial horses mouth.

Glad I could help, this opens up a new world of AF techniques to almost everyone who's ever used it.

-Tim



Mar 22, 2010 at 01:00 PM
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schristie11 wrote:
Here is a man holding a bracket without a palm rest.
http://www.hotshoeinternational.com/files/user/1192809985174_2400.jpg

................
Custom Brackets are about the best and tallest but many good ones are out there.


That is the Custom Bracket's Digital Pro M (which I have). It does have a palm rest.

Very well made, very smooth camera rotating action, adjustable height, adjustable flash angle, swing-out feet when you want to set it down etc etc. The only downside is that the Digital Pro M kit doesn't include a camera quick release kit (essential in my opinion).


I also have the CB Folding-T bracket which is flash rotating. Lighter than the Digital Pro M, but a pain to have to swing the flash and adjust the head angle every time I move switch from portrait to landscape.
The camera rotating brackets are much more preferable.



Mar 22, 2010 at 03:49 PM
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Tony Hoffer wrote:
Flash brackets are like Nickelback....


Bwahahaha.

Find out first if you think a bracket is something you want to use before you go get one...



Mar 22, 2010 at 04:17 PM
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