It's more of a disrespect to a person's time to suggest they waste another moment trying to "fix" a shot not worth keeping. Delete and save yourself the headache.
ValerieUSA wrote:
sorry, but everyone is capable of seeing with a critical eye and deleting the unworthy shots - it's a great advantage of digital photography. I do it all the time.
This habit is the biggest demise of photography...
Nothing should be deleted until it's know 'why' it should be deleted... it's called learning from our mistakes.
Even after learning from our mistake... there's still no need to delete things. Imagine if this young lady was tragically taken from this earth in a car accident or something a few days after the shoot... they would still be lasting images for her family.
I ban my students from using the delete feature on their cameras.
ValerieUSA wrote:
It's more of a disrespect to a person's time to suggest they waste another moment trying to "fix" a shot not worth keeping. Delete and save yourself the headache.
... and if these images were not posted here the OP would possibly never have learnt about the relationship between FL, camera to subject distance and perspective.
If you don't have a longer lens you can get the same idea about perspective by shooting loose and cropping.
So, shoot the first wide shot cropped how I mentioned (H&S or waist up) and then walk back 15' and shoot with your longest lens you own. (then crop that image to the same cropping as the closer image) Note: the more you crop the more image resolution you lose so only crop heavily if your testing or the camera can handle it.
Honestly, I don't think lenses or sharpness are the key concerns here. Out of all of these images, #2 is excellent. As for the rest, I agree with Valerie. Or put in a way that would appease Snaga, I would have committed them to some dark corner of an archived backup somewhere. Your biggest problem is the angle from which these are shot. Very fewpeople who look their best when shot from bottom up. Also, you have flat and uninteresting lighting on almost every image except for 2.
That said, #2 is a truly fantastic portrait. I especially like your post work. The rest are not anywhere near that level.
Whatever Valerie he was asking about sharpness not about light. Look at your comments if you really believe them then you have issues in your life. Later; not going to waste any more time if you cant see it...
ValerieUSA wrote:
It's more of a disrespect to a person's time to suggest they waste another moment trying to "fix" a shot not worth keeping. Delete and save yourself the headache.
Burk Young wrote:
Whatever Valerie he was asking about sharpness not about light. Look at your comments if you really believe them then you have issues in your life. Later; not going to waste any more time if you cant see it...
Yeah but that emphasis on sharpness is misplaced; there are more fundamental ways to improve the technique used to capture these images. Moreover, I think the OP has thus far welcomed comments on aspects of the image that don't pertain to their sharpness.
sometimes to see the fatal flaw, students or people learning need to have it pointed out to them. these things are learned.
obviously if you have knowledge and are willing to take the time to read someones post and comment, then please share what it is that makes it makes it deletable. thats all i'm saying. can't try something else if you don't know what else to try.
Valerie, hitting the delete button doesn't fix dark shadows.
Suggest a fix/technique rather than a useless comment as 'delete them' or you may as well not bother contributing to the thread.
It's not rocket science.
Yes, delete is THE fix for a photo with bad lighting.
But first a person has to see it and recognize it for it's worth, and its unworthiness. If that task is beyond one's abilities, then there is no point to discussing techniques.
To everyone who has helpful criticism to offer, thanks!
"It's not rocket science.Yes, delete is THE fix for a photo with bad lighting. But first a person has to see it and recognize it for it's worth, and its unworthiness. If that task is beyond one's abilities, then there is no point to discussing techniques."
Valerie...thanks for pointing out that if an image sucks it should be deleted. Pretty sure even someone like myself could figure that out. What I'm really looking for is honest critique, hopefully without a condescending tone to help me learn and develop an eye for what's worth keeping and what isn't.
I honestly appreciate everyone who has offered real advice and even comments on why the images that suck do suck - those are the things that really help. I visit this forum to learn more and I'll keep posting my images to keep learning.
ValerieUSA wrote:
It's not rocket science.
Yes, delete is THE fix for a photo with bad lighting.
But first a person has to see it and recognize it for it's worth, and its unworthiness. If that task is beyond one's abilities, then there is no point to discussing techniques.
no point wasting my time with an attitude like that... I feel so, so sad for you...
Such drama in these critique forums... come on. Some people delete off the card, while others condemn the images they don't like to an archive. One need not feel so sad for either.
Also, I find the sensitivity to harsh, cursory critique to be quite extreme on this particular forum. I am a member of painting/drawing forums where harsh crits are the norm. The same approach to critique here is perceived as condescending or otherwise objectionable in tone. In general, I think that's the wrong way to look at it.
A few months ago I gave a lengthy critique to someone in another FM board about why his drawing was problematic... it was several paragraphs of commetary summing up areas where the drawing was deeply flawed. In response, the OP and one other person chastised me for being mean, though not necessarily unhelpful.
Tone is a nuanced thing that is difficult to convey in a written medium, but critique is relatively easy to convey. Why not give anyone who took the time to write something about your image the benefit of the doubt? Harsh or not, the person was probably motivated in some part to help you improve. Maybe the person had other motivations (self-aggrandizement, etc.), but you can take away from the remarks that which is beneficial to your art without converting a thread into epic melodrama.
