akul wrote:
Interesting that Milvus's bokeh has a lot of definition in mid distance shot. Good 3d it appears. May be a little less subject isolation than I expected.
Here's another. At f/1.4 from here I liked the foreground and background effects.
It really depends on your taste if you like this kind of rendering. I've notice it has some sort swirl or vortex effect. or whatever. Just like the Otus 55
Milvus 50/1.4 ( wide open ) Seven Lakes upstate NY.
akul wrote:
May be a little less subject isolation than I expected.
it may be that wide open it has tons of contrast....meaning your subject in focus vs background blur has the same levels of shades but ofcourse the other one is blurred.
while the planar, the blurred background is defintiley lower contrast while the subject in focus is high on contrast. that's what I've notice.
I see what you mean. Milvus's bokeh seems to retain structure including contrast. What amazes me is that wide open looks totally usable. High contrast and clean. Use of Distagon sure seems to be working.
Here's another. At f/1.4 from here I liked the foreground and background effects.
It really depends on your taste if you like this kind of rendering. I've notice it has some sort swirl or vortex effect. or whatever. Just like the Otus 55
Milvus 50/1.4 ( wide open ) Seven Lakes upstate NY.
This is a vertical shot, right? I like the 3D effect of the in focus tree trunk against the blue sky at the edge of the frame. WO the 50D does seem to be sharp and clear across the frame. Looking forward to your 50P and 50D compo.
I'd like to see a comparison of the Milvi 50MP and 50D if someone has them - see the focus transitions.
Someone had asked why so many new 50mm lenses? I would suggest that with the newer "cropable" 36-50Mp cameras, a 50mm lens can now substitute for 85mm, with more depth of field.
akul wrote:
I see what you mean. Milvus's bokeh seems to retain structure including contrast. What amazes me is that wide open looks totally usable. High contrast and clean. Use of Distagon sure seems to be working.
That's the reason why for now i shoot only wide open with this Milvus. I am still discovering its sweet spot.
it gets nervous sometimes, check the "chipotle" in the corner street. nervous but soft, some of you may not like this. but again it's depends on your taste.
it gets nervous sometimes, check the "chipotle" in the corner street. nervous but soft, some of you may not like this. but again it's depends on your taste.
It is not offensive though. Planar can get on a lot people's nerve with its nice busy bokeh. I recall Bjorn from Nikongear hated the bokeh in his review. I never minded it, so yes, it is very subjective.
Very impressive images from the Milvus 50 wide open! I agree, that the bokeh could get a bit nervous, but I like it in combination with the super sharp and contrasty focal plane.
akul wrote:
Low325. I thought you own 58 1.4G ? ( lurking on that thread lately ) What do you see as difference in bokeh ?
Akul,
yep, i love the 58G for many reasons than just bokeh. but since we are talking bokeh... in my eyes, the 58G still has smoother bokeh. yes, there seems to have much more CA on the 58G..some might call it out of control, but I cant get over the characteristic of how just smooth the bokeh really is and together how the resolution increases further out to the edges stopped down a little.
and i dont ever once see any nervous bokeh in even the most challenging backgrounds when i use the 58G. I am ,however, also drawn to sharpness in MF (dont like sharp AF lenses other than exotic teles) lenses. zglass such as the milvus and otus are so much fun when you include the micro-contrast wide open together with that sharpenss. almost makes framing so much easier
low325 wrote:
yep, i love the 58G for many reasons than just bokeh. but since we are talking bokeh... in my eyes, the 58G still has smoother bokeh. yes, there seems to have much more CA on the 58G..some might call it out of control, but I cant get over the characteristic of how just smooth the bokeh really is and together how the resolution increases further out to the edges stopped down a little.
Yes. I see 58G has a very attractive rendering style. Not only for portraits, but strong in landscape as well. Plus, it is light weight. Not light for wallets though.
and i dont ever once see any nervous bokeh in even the most challenging backgrounds when i use the 58G. I am ,however, also drawn to sharpness in MF (dont like sharp AF lenses other than exotic teles) lenses. zglass such as the milvus and otus are so much fun when you include the micro-contrast wide open together with that sharpenss. almost makes framing so much easier
Bokeh of 58G looks quite nice and creamy. Very different from Zeiss. It probably is indicative of what they care about most.
bushwacker wrote:
here's my Dream machine.
I know a lot people hate its bokeh wide open.
Not creamy, but I never minded it. Actually, I am impressed that I do not see much haze in that shot. Being on the shaded side does the trick. Also I noticed that 'busy' part is the well-lit part. In a little less contrasty background, it won't be too bad.
