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p.96 #1 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Denoir, the final shot in your last series is breathtaking. I realize that the 21/2.8 is a special lens, but you have put it to spectacular use in this instance! Fantastic job with the lighting balance. You are very talented and I believe you could get great results like this from whatever gear you use. I would be happy to hand a print of this capture from my wall in my home. Great job!

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Jul 06, 2010 at 01:55 PM
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p.96 #2 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Samuli, I think the last photo is the best with all the different layers of green. Great series Makten, we're still waiting for the mushrooms down here.


Jul 06, 2010 at 02:32 PM
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p.96 #3 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


AhamB wrote:
Well, nothing short of spectacular, Makten! I especially like the cat (nice perspective) and #3. I'm not crazy about the flower shot: not enough detail in the whites and the pine needles don't fit in there imo.


Thanks Aham! The flower shot shows the weakness of the Planar (with muddy sharpness close up), so even if it isn't a great image, it serves its purpose in the thread. By the way, Rufus the cat, was asleep! I've never seen a cat sleeping in that sort of "position" before.



Jul 06, 2010 at 03:01 PM
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p.96 #4 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Guys, your shots leave me in complete admiration!


Jul 06, 2010 at 03:43 PM
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p.96 #5 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


My cat sleeps like that, and I often do myself.


Jul 06, 2010 at 06:09 PM
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p.96 #6 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


I have been away and the page is filled with amazing shots!

Philippe, I really like the shot with ZE28.
Samuli, Amazing shots! Love the shots, and PP.
Luka, amazing shots. I've many favorites.
Makten, great shots.
Jeffrey, an amazing shot. Love the composition and shape.




Jul 06, 2010 at 10:15 PM
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p.96 #7 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Makten,

I like the church door,the clock and the tray with mushrooms for their simple tight composition and bright,vivid colours.

The cat also composed his body nicely before falling asleep



Jul 06, 2010 at 11:42 PM
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p.96 #8 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Samuli Vahonen wrote:
Philippe, like you say - 28mm looks quite natural for these shots. It's hard field of view to master, at least for me, on nature it's slightly easier but on urban environment I find 28 quite difficult.

Samuli



Now you tell me, Samuli!!! When you came to Paris, you claimed to love your 28 and to battle with your 21. So I bought a 28, thinking that, if it is good enough for the great Samuli Vahonen, it must be much better than good enough for lesser photographers...and I just felt incompetent trying to get comfortable with it as a city walk-about lens.... meanwhile, you post more than delightful pics from your 21....



Jul 06, 2010 at 11:57 PM
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Makten wrote:
I took the 50 Planar with me as my only lens on a little trip to middle-northern Sweden this weekend. I really liked the idea of restricting myself to a lens that doesn't do anything "spectacular".

I would disagree about planar 50 not being "spectacular" - the most spectacular feature of it's to render scenes lifelike way making viewer to feel watching real thing not flat photo. For some odd reason the mushroom picture was my favorite of these.

charles.K wrote:
Samuli, Amazing shots! Love the shots, and PP.

Thanks - thou only photo needed PP was Ireland - Co. Offaly 02. In this photo I used polarizer and direct sunlight to lens and polarizer caused enormous countrast loss --> I used my cap to shade the lens, but since sun was almost in the frame the cap was visible in the photo blocking few hundred pixels (on fullsize photo) on top left corner. Then I took other photo at 1/40s (main exposure was 1/30s) without shading the lens to have that black part of the sky also recorded. Then in Photo Shop I aligned the sky of the two images, create layer masks and fixed rest with content aware fill.

This is the bad thing about shading the lens with cap, but no matter how good the coatings are any lens benefits from this technique. If not using polarizer it's typically enough to shade so that the edge of shadow of the cap is just covering the aperture, assuming you don't use ANY filter and keep your front lens dustless. With polarizer I always shade the whole filter.

All other photos are adjusted with my default settings in Apple Aperture (if I posted some HDR images they are naturally processed in HDR software). To me one of the greatest features in Zeiss lenses is the little need for any PP. Due to my extreme demanding work I think I would have given up photography if I would have continued with Canon L, I find it so annoying to tweak images in computer that I have hard time justifying any extra minute to do that. For example in Ireland I took about 800 photos during 4 days, then in Aperture I got 41 images worth 4 or 5 stars after initial go through. Time spend at that moment was about 45 minutes, including extraction of GPS locator track in PC laptop (my GPS tracker is Windows only), moving gpx file to Mac, then downloading photos from compact flash and adding GPS tags to images with exiftool in addition to importing to Apple Aperture and giving points from 1 to 5 to images. Whole processing (adjustments in Aperture, export to TIFF, PhotoShop resize and sharpen script) of these 41 images took about 1h 30 minutes, and it includes addition of metadata tags nad many HDRs images, one panorama and one image needed Photo Shop.

charles.K wrote:
Some more with ZE 21.

I liked the last photo calmness. The foreground looks weird - where did you focus and what aperture was used?

philber wrote:
Now you tell me, Samuli!!! When you came to Paris, you claimed to love your 28 and to battle with your 21. So I bought a 28, thinking that, if it is good enough for the great Samuli Vahonen, it must be much better than good enough for lesser photographers...and I just felt incompetent trying to get comfortable with it as a city walk-about lens.... meanwhile, you post more than delightful pics from your 21....

To me the difficulty of 28 is that it includes so much stuff in urban environment, but it's not yet ultrawide (like 21) due to which it don't get "boost" from perspective effects. Many years my most used lens was 135L even I had 1.6x crop, then it took few years to learn to see with 50mm (full frame). I still have hard time composing in my mind without camera for any lens wider than 35mm, I'm not sure will I never learn it. Thankfully live view makes it easy to position camera to many places and when good composition found then I can put my tripod there - thou I would prefer to see the compositions without camera like I do with longer lenses.

I was earlier little doubtful of 28ZE, but this spring and Ireland trip confirmed to me that 28ZE is as good as 2.8/28C/Y.

28mm photo, which doesn't seem to be as good in webthumbnailsize as it was on Apple Aperture at 2560x1600, but still shows the colors etc.

Ireland - Co. Galway 19 - Carl Zeiss Distagon 2/28 @ f/9, 1/80s, ISO 100:


Samuli



Jul 07, 2010 at 02:40 AM
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p.96 #10 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Thanks Samuli. I used f22 for DOF focusing in the midst of the foreground and 4 sec exposure to smooth the ragged ocean just after sunset, at an iso 50. It was a very windy day, so there was movement in the clouds. The camera was set to about 30cms to capture the foreground. The three shots were taken within about 90 minutes of each.

Love the shot with the ZE 28. I think as Lloyd was suggesting that the Z*28 was not as suited for landscapes, but your photo is proof that it is ideally suited. It gives me more confidence to use the ZE 28 for landscapes. I find the image renders a great 3D feel to it.



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charles.K wrote:
Love the shot with the ZE 28. I think as Lloyd was suggesting that the Z*28 was not as suited for landscapes, but your photo is proof that it is ideally suited. It gives me more confidence to use the ZE 28 for landscapes. I find the image renders a great 3D feel to it.


Thanks. It can be used for landscapes - thou it's very similar on landscapes as C/Y 2.8/28 so I would not buy this lens just for landscapes. Mostly I was afraid that I need still use C/Y for landscapes, and carry ZE for close-ups etc.but luckily this was not the case. I have always wondered why Lloyd didn't like 28 for landscapes, maybe he would have not liked C/Y 2.8/28 either.

PS. 28Z* works pretty well with IR-filter, I have not seen any hot spotting etc.

Samuli



Jul 07, 2010 at 11:16 AM
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philber wrote:
Now you tell me, Samuli!!! When you came to Paris, you claimed to love your 28 and to battle with your 21. So I bought a 28, thinking that, if it is good enough for the great Samuli Vahonen, it must be much better than good enough for lesser photographers...and I just felt incompetent trying to get comfortable with it as a city walk-about lens.... meanwhile, you post more than delightful pics from your 21....



I don't have experience with the ZE 21 or 28 yet, but I do have a lot of experience with other 28mm lenses. It is an interesting FOV in my experience, it's not super wide so you can still have natural angles and composition without lots of distortion.

I consider it a "normal" lens like 35 and 50mm. In fact my 3 favorite focal lengths are 28 / 35 / 50, I'm assuming this is largely because of my Rangefinder background, those were 3 very commonly used focal lengths. They each have a good look to them in my opinion.

That being said, It's not for everyone, I got quite used to those focal lengths and can work quite well with them, but it's unnatural for some.



Jul 07, 2010 at 11:20 AM
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Peire wrote:
Makten,

I like the church door,the clock and the tray with mushrooms for their simple tight composition and bright,vivid colours.

The cat also composed his body nicely before falling asleep


Thanks! It's actually not a church, but a house for living in. The mad swedes in Hälsingland built those for show-off in the late18:th and early 19:th century.
The mushroom (chantarelle) shot is my own favourite.

Samuli Vahonen wrote:
To me one of the greatest features in Zeiss lenses is the little need for any PP.


I agree to 100%! It just looks right straight away. I use very low contrast profiles in ACR now, compared to when using Nikkor lenses. I also tend to choose more neutral white balance settings, not seeking any sort of effect.

Edit: By the way, what I meant about the Planar not being "spectacular" was more about the angle of view. It doesn't do anything by itself, so to speak. But it really delivers when handled properly, which isn't the easiest to do. I find it much more demanding than my previous 50 mm Nikkors of all sorts.

I used to care more about wide open sharpness than how lenses performed stopped down, because they would be "good enough" then anyway. But now I find myself stopping down quite a bit most of the time, to squeeze the best out of the ZF lenses.



Jul 07, 2010 at 11:57 AM
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Been so busy working, but since my last post there have been some AMAZING shots, keep at it!

Adam



Jul 07, 2010 at 01:53 PM
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Thanks a lot for the kind words guys!

Samuli Vahonen wrote:
I really would like the 1st one but center horizon makes the image unbalanced, sadly it seems that the is some human made ugly stuff (head of flagpole or something is visible -> I would assume there is something else as well) on bottom right corner so you could not compose this one according to rule of thirds.


Yes, I entirely agree. I wan't able to get a single shot from that location that I was 100% pleased with. There was always something in the way preventing a decent composition and there was that damned haze that seriously reduced visibility. I also had to resort to the 35/2 for the shot in order to avoid the human made stuff. I prefer the 21 by far for landscapes, but in this case I had no choice. This is what the larger scene looked like:







As you can see, shrubs on the left and the ugly green lawn on the right left me little choice in the way of composition. I did try some shots with the 100 MP but every one of my attempts at landscape shots with that lens has resulted in failures. I know that it can be done as you have shown it and so has snowboarder and others but I still have not got the hang of it. As much as I love that lens, 100mm is not something that is natural for me when it comes to landscapes.








I got a bit better results from the top of Risnjak, but still nothing spectacular - nothing that would take advantage of that particular lens. It really annoys me when I can't make good use of the characteristic features of a specific lens - and so far I only know how to use the 100 MP for closeups. I've tried to do some combinations and experiment with foreground objects but the results so far have been mediocre at best:

























Great shot with the 28! Outstanding as far as your contribution in terms of composition and choice of subject goes but I can't help but thinking that it would have been even more striking had you used the 21. The 28, like the 35 doesn't seem suck up the fine detail of a scene to the extent that the 21 does.

jfreak wrote:
4th is simply Beautiful !!
The light behind the trees I guess is from the setting sun. What is the source of light in right foreground.


Nothing natural I'm afraid - the light behind the trees is because of light pollution. There is a house or a city or something else there - the light on the right is from a street lamp. Neither were visible to the eye. It was pitch black and I saw basically nothing. I pointed the camera in the general direction of where I remembered that the hill was and did a 30s exposure @ f/2.8 and ISO 640. After taking a few shots centered on the hill I noticed the orange light on the right side. So I (again blindly) repositioned the camera and took 4-5 exposures with tripod adjustments until I got the composition the way I wanted it. I still had to rotate it slightly in post.

To give you an idea of how dark it was, here is another picture from the same spot - the trees that seem so bright in this image were barely visible by eye:







Makten: Great shots! Love the mushroom a very nice composition and nice colors.

Charles: Lovely landscapes - I especially like #2 & #3. I think you may be pushing it with f/22 - at such a small aperture you are losing detail due to diffraction.






Jul 07, 2010 at 03:11 PM
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Nothing natural I'm afraid - the light behind the trees is because of light pollution. There is a house or a city or something else there - the light on the right is from a street lamp. Neither were visible to the eye. It was pitch black and I saw basically nothing. I pointed the camera in the general direction of where I remembered that the hill was and did a 30s exposure @ f/2.8 and ISO 640. After taking a few shots centered on the hill I noticed the orange light on the right side. So I (again blindly) repositioned...Show more

Thanks for taking time to explain the lighting. I am inspired to take some long exposure shots. Like you, not in same league though, I also tried 100MP for landscape nothing came out that was impressive.



Jul 07, 2010 at 03:19 PM
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denoir wrote:
I did try some shots with the 100 MP but every one of my attempts at landscape shots with that lens has resulted in failures. I know that it can be done as you have shown it and so has snowboarder and others but I still have not got the hang of it. As much as I love that lens, 100mm is not something that is natural for me when it comes to landscapes.


It can be difficult but many times there is no choice since any wider lens excludes too much of unwanted stuff to pictures. In modern world when you climb up to hill the view is always broken by power lines, mobile network substations and other human made ugly stuff.

In addition to exclusion tele lens in landscape makes it possible to shoot "layered landscape" like you had done on your 2nd last shot, which I liked and would not call it failure.

I think the characteristics of 100Z* in landscapes is brilliance (ref. Lloyd - where this is explained pretty well). When supported by usage of polarizer the images may be extremely vivid, sometimes one needs to desaturate images...

Ireland - Co. Galway 12 - Carl Zeiss Makro-Planar 2/100 @ f/8, 1/125s, ISO 100:


Mustalamminvuori - Carl Zeiss Makro-Planar 2/100 @ f/5.6, 1/500s, ISO 100:


I shoot quite a lot landscapes also at 150-200mm, unfortunately there is no Z* lenses to do that so I have to shoot them with Contax 80-200 or 3.5/200. Hopefully this gets "fixed" in Z* line-up pretty soon.

denoir wrote:
Great shot with the 28! Outstanding as far as your contribution in terms of composition and choice of subject goes but I can't help but thinking that it would have been even more striking had you used the 21. The 28, like the 35 doesn't seem suck up the fine detail of a scene to the extent that the 21 does.

I would also prefer to use 21 as much as possible due to characteristics but we live in world full of ugly human made stuff, and very often we need to use longer lenses.

Samuli



Jul 07, 2010 at 11:00 PM
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p.96 #18 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Great shots from Ireland Samuli! She sure is a beautiful island. I would love to go back!

A



Jul 07, 2010 at 11:32 PM
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Love the last shot Samuli! Great series


Jul 08, 2010 at 12:07 AM
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OK, this is not a nice landscape or an artistic shot, just my first photo ( excluding many test shots ) with the ZS 35/2. I'm very happy with the high micro-contrast and 3D rendition of this lens, but I guess this is old news for you guys.

F/5.6 1/10 iso 400.








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