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p.14 #1 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


philber wrote:
First, focus shift does not affect all shots. It is essentailly negligeable at medium distances and beyond, maybe 50% of my 85 shots. Furthermore, it only affects those shots where one adjusts the aperture by stopping down after focusing. I don't alter aperture significantly in more than 25% of my shots.


Do you mean that you focus while pressing the DOF preview button in 75% of the cases?

The shots that are most sensitive to focus shift are close up, and this for two reasons. One, it is where the shift is the largest, and two, it is where DOF is the thinnest, so where the shift is most likely to push the focus point outside the DOF.


Depth of field is not relevant.




Mar 08, 2010 at 01:03 PM
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p.14 #2 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Toothwalker wrote:
Do you mean that you focus while pressing the DOF preview button in 75% of the cases?

Depth of field is not relevant.




It means that, in 75% of the cases, I either shoot long distance, where the lens has minimal or no focus shift, or do not change aperture, and thus focus shift does not happen.

DOF is relevant because focus shift only matters if it is enough to push the focus point outside the DOF. If it is still within the DOF, the shift will matter very little, whereas if DOF is very thin, like with a 85mm wide open and a close up target, then the focus point is shifted outside the DOF and the shot ends up OOF...

Hope this helps.



Mar 08, 2010 at 01:48 PM
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p.14 #3 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


philber wrote:
It means that, in 75% of the cases, I either shoot long distance, where the lens has minimal or no focus shift, or do not change aperture, and thus focus shift does not happen.


I do not know what you mean by "do not change aperture". When you focus, the lens is wide open. When you take the picture, the camera changes the aperture for you to the set value. Hence the focus shift may manifest itself. Unless you shoot wide open, but I have read elsewhere that "shooting wide open is not your cup of tea".

DOF is relevant because focus shift only matters if it is enough to push the focus point outside the DOF.

Right.


If it is still within the DOF, the shift will matter very little, whereas if DOF is very thin, like with a 85mm wide open and a close up target, then the focus point is shifted outside the DOF and the shot ends up OOF...
Hope this helps.


The relevant question is not whether the depth of field (DOF) is shallow or large, but what focus shift is required to shift the subject out of the DOF. The answer is given by the depth of focus, which is actually larger for a target at close range. So a close-up scenario, although the DOF is small, is actually (a little) more tolerant of a given focus shift than a long-range scenario.










Mar 08, 2010 at 02:54 PM
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p.14 #4 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Toothwalker wrote:
I do not know what you mean by "do not change aperture". When you focus, the lens is wide open. When you take the picture, the camera changes the aperture for you to the set value. Hence the focus shift may manifest itself.


I thought that use of the DOF preview button was supposed to correct the "wide open" into whatever the camera was set for. Am I wrong?



Mar 08, 2010 at 03:24 PM
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p.14 #5 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


juan_amores wrote:
Hi for all. Long time I am seeing your photos here an I want to buy a Zeiss 35f2 for my 5DII. I like yours landscapes very much. I would like to examine a RAW file on my computer. Anybody can send me one? Sorry for my english and thanks...
Juan Amores


Can anybody help me

Thanks



Mar 08, 2010 at 05:41 PM
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p.14 #6 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Juan, as someone who watched this thread and other threads for a while before selling my 35L and making the plunge, I can tell you - you don't need no RAW files. It's as good as it appears from the web images. Though I don't have many, I'll post some raw images for you this evening though.


Mar 08, 2010 at 06:10 PM
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p.14 #7 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


hello,
recently bought a Zeiss ZE35 and sold my canon 35L.
As many of you, not looking back.

here one pic from the zeiss 35ZE with my Canon 5D MK II
Handheld, with low light

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eladi/4321398192/

you can check the 2000px wide image in the link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eladi/4321398192/sizes/o/



Mar 08, 2010 at 06:26 PM
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p.14 #8 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Thanks for your comment joekraft and thanks for your pic ebe



Mar 08, 2010 at 06:41 PM
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p.14 #9 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


ebe, can you tell us more about this car? It looks like it was armored for some purpose... Most impressive picture, by the way... and congratulations on your new lens!


Mar 08, 2010 at 09:21 PM
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p.14 #10 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


A few raw files here if anyone else is interested

http://photoworkstudio.com/RawFiles/Zeiss35/



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p.14 #11 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Samuli Vahonen wrote:
I use all modes of live view and constantly change them since I try to learn taking videos as well and I'll record some videos from locations as well. For some lenses I use exposure simulation (ZE lenses) and for some I use the still mode without exposure simulation (the ones adapted with EMF programmable ships) or when I change lenses in fast phase I have ended up shooting ZE also without exposure simulation. If in situation in which camera automatically uses smaller aperture to show live view picture but I would use alternative lens with manual aperture the
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Sorry I didn't reply sooner, after posting my image, I clicked the quote button and the internet shut down on me, so I figured I might as well go to bed. It may not be in a manual but it may be downloadable pdf on canons site, after they updated the firmware they added instructions.

Maybe we're having a communication break down, so first I will describe the way my camera acts on certain settings, then I will tell you what settings I use.

M mode: My liveview shows me EXACTLY what I'm going to be shooting. If I up the shutter it brings in less light, if I up the f/stop it brings in less light and the lens closes up. I can similarly open it right up and point it at the sun and my screen will go white and stay white. (I don't do that, though I could). Shutter and Fstop controls what I see as it would if I took the photo.


THEN I wrote about the Av and Tv settings, and I know what I wrote to be true because the other day I did a shoot where I needed Av mode liveview on a photoshoot of a store. I was looking at where the reflections were coming from etc.. Then 2 days ago I updated my firmware, and after reading your post I grabbed my camera and started playing with the settings so I could help you, and my camera is acting erratically on the Tv and Av settings mode... I'm a bit worried now that something's either wrong with my memory, or canon changed something that I'm not happy with.

ANYWAY, regardless of that, set your camera like this and you should be fine no matter what lens you are using.

Live View/Movie func. set.
-LV func. setting
-Stills + movie
-Movie display

Then set your camera to M mode, and you should be all set. You control the aperture and shutter independently of the camera, and the live view shows you exactly what you need.

So basically then if you have a lens with focus shift, when it's set to 2.8 it'll automatically close up the aperture so you can then focus using the aperture natively. AND if you were lazy, you could just put your ISO to Auto and you wouldn't have to really worry about exposure. Just set your shutterspeed to something manageable for hand holding, and your set.


Hope this helps,
Adam

P.S. I think I'm going to start a new post in the canon forum now, as I'm scratching my head as to my thoughts on my camera.









Mar 09, 2010 at 01:17 AM
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p.14 #12 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


BTW, back to my photo with the 100 makro, I do notice it has a lot of color fringing of sorts... Is this within specs for this lens?

As nobody else seems to comment on it, but it shows up all the time in every photo I take. Colors shift between cyan, green, purple.

Any thoughts?



Mar 09, 2010 at 01:21 AM
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p.14 #13 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Boy, I do like the 35/2. Just got it the other day and tried it out some yesterday for the first time (other than brick wall testing) at a gathering with some friends. Still need to perfect my focusing technique as I am not used to manual focusing for candid type shots, but it is fun trying! Here is one that I like and just seems so natural to me. Wide open:










Mar 09, 2010 at 01:24 AM
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p.14 #14 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Good example of the Zeiss 3D Luvwine. Cool!


Mar 09, 2010 at 02:33 AM
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p.14 #15 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


What zombii says!


Mar 09, 2010 at 03:30 AM
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p.14 #16 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


zombii wrote:
Good example of the Zeiss 3D Luvwine. Cool!

+1. Even though the light is not by any means perfect the Zeiss delivers POP. I love it!



Mar 09, 2010 at 03:59 AM
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p.14 #17 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Nice shot Luvwine! Congrats on the new ZE 35/2.
As nice as this shot is at f2 in the low-light, I somehow feel that the Contax 35/1.4 seems to pop the portrait subjects even more and the subject seems to be a tad sharper maybe also due to the background being more blurred at f1.4. I have had the ZF 35/2 for over a year and a half and love it and use it alot for group portraits as well as landscape where it really excells. This opinion/theory is only formed from what I have seen posted from Andreas and Richard with the 35/1.4 and my own experience with the 35/2. If anyone has both lenses and can do a wide open portrait comparison that would be great to see. I was really wanting a copy of the 35/1.4 but have decided to wait until after the new Z* version is released and I also want to check out the Samyang fast 35 too.



Mar 09, 2010 at 04:28 AM
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p.14 #18 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Thanks for the kind words. Lighting was not ideal, of course, and part of what I liked was how well the lens dealt with poor lighting. Only one shot had obvious PF (purple candles in OOF part of frame). As for the Contax 35 1.4, I would like to see that comparison if it is possible to do. Obviously a wider aperture will give more background blur and there seems to be a lot of posts that talk about a different drawing style and more of that elusive 3D effect in certain older models like the C/Y 100/2 over the Z* 100/2 MP according to some (tho I will likely get the ZE version anyway). Reading (wading) through some of the rather lengthy "What is 3D" thread has led me to the conclusion that it is a very difficult characteristic to define, but I think I "know it when I see it." I wonder if there really is much of a difference in this area between the newer glass and the older glass. Will a new Z* 35 1.4 have as much 3D as the older one? Anyway, I sold my Canon 35L and as my live view focusing gets better/faster, I don't think I will have any regrets as I like the 35/2 drawing style better and corner to corner sharpness stopped down is likely better for landscapes.


Mar 09, 2010 at 10:14 AM
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p.14 #19 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


philber,
the car is at a DeCordova museum, Lincoln MA. Not sure if was just painted or something else, too cold to double check...



Mar 09, 2010 at 10:22 AM
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p.14 #20 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


philber wrote:
I thought that use of the DOF preview button was supposed to correct the "wide open" into whatever the camera was set for. Am I wrong?


If you focus while pressing the DOF preview button to close down the lens to the picture taking aperture, you will be fine. Anything else, and I still wonder what you mean by mitigating the focus shift by not changing the aperture.





Mar 09, 2010 at 11:11 AM
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