The 7 -14 lens is very very small. You would be very surprised. Here are two shots of it next to the 14-45 kit lens. The 7-14 has a built in hood that makes it a bit bigger than the kit lens but when you put the hood on the kit it is bigger.
TEBnewyork wrote:
The 7 -14 lens is very very small. You would be very surprised. Here are two shots of it next to the 14-45 kit lens. The 7-14 has a built in hood that makes it a bit bigger than the kit lens but when you put the hood on the kit it is bigger.
It dwarfs the m.Zuiko 9-18 though, which is the same size as the collapsed Oly 14-42, or about 2/3rds the length of the Panny 14-45.
Yes, it does dwarf the 7-14 collapsed. Will be interesting to see what they've done about a hood. It could be an interesting lens but a stop slower through part of the zoom range.
TEBnewyork wrote:
Yes, it does dwarf the 7-14 collapsed. Will be interesting to see what they've done about a hood. It could be an interesting lens but a stop slower through part of the zoom range.
Hood seems to be a bayonet type (unlike the silly hood-free 14-42). It'll be interesting if priced comparably to its 4/3rds sibling, provided it's also as good as the 4/3rds 9-18 (which is quite good itself).
mawz wrote:
It dwarfs the m.Zuiko 9-18 though, which is the same size as the collapsed Oly 14-42, or about 2/3rds the length of the Panny 14-45.
I'd personally take the larger 7-14 for the extra wideness and constant f/4 aperture. Will be interesting to see what the cost difference is though. The Pansonic ain't cheap.
Sam Bennett wrote:
They've been shipping solo for months. IIRC, Amazon first started shipping 20mm's on their own in November.
Where have you seen the GF1 body-only?
My local pusher has had a few body-only GF1's come through since November. Hadn't seen any solo 20's before this week, I'd seen some listed, but always backordered/unavailable.
Sam Bennett wrote:
I'd personally take the larger 7-14 for the extra wideness and constant f/4 aperture. Will be interesting to see what the cost difference is though. The Pansonic ain't cheap.
If you've got the money, the 7-14 is a no-brainer over the 9-18 unless you want a semi-pocketable setup. Faster, wider and still quite small. I won't be getting the 9-18 myself though, as for me getting the 4/3rds version is a better deal since I shoot 4/3rds as well and the 4/3rds 9-18 is already quite compact and AF's on all m43 cameras.
I'm still hemming & hawing about wide solutions, the 11-22 is just really tempting for my 4/3rds work due to its speed and range, but it's not a great choice for m43 due to size and lack of AF. The 9-18 would be the best compromise, but it's slow for my 4/3rds uses which tends to often be in low light. If I had the money I'd get the 11-22 and Panny 7-14, but the pair would be $2500CDN.
What I'd absolutely kill for would be m43 versions of the 11-22 and 14-54 HG series lenses (or the Leica 14-50 f2.8-3.5 OIS). I'm using the 14-54 on my G1 a fair bit of late simply because of the optical quality, none of the m43 zooms other than the 7-14 can touch the HG 4/3rds zooms optically.
mawz wrote:
My local pusher has had a few body-only GF1's come through since November. Hadn't seen any solo 20's before this week, I'd seen some listed, but always backordered/unavailable.
Odd. You can't even buy them like that direct from Panasonic. You sure they weren't used? People buying 20mm kits just to get the lens, maybe?
Sam Bennett wrote:
Odd. You can't even buy them like that direct from Panasonic. You sure they weren't used? People buying 20mm kits just to get the lens, maybe?
Nope, body-only boxes. But he pre-ordered a bunch early on, I don't think that many were actually shipped, just like the 14-45 kit (which I've never actually seen).
Travelinbri wrote:
Would love to see some pics from this lens... posters anyone?
Here's few I posted in another forum from the GH1 and 7-14mm. It is incredibly compact and delivers excellent IQ. I recently took a two week trip, left the 5DII and 16-35mm f/2.8L II at home and didn't regret it a bit.
mawz wrote:
Nope, body-only boxes. But he pre-ordered a bunch early on, I don't think that many were actually shipped, just like the 14-45 kit (which I've never actually seen).
Ah, keep forgetting you're in Canada, where it looks like they only sell body-only and 20mm kits. Interesting.
The 9-18mm is a compromise solution, either because of cost or size. 7mm to 8mm difference is significant, just like 24mm is against 28mm (in full frame). Also, constant f/4 obviously adds to the cost and bulk, although not really important for daytime landscape photo takers. I use mine even at night though, as a street lens .
Same in 4/3, either Olympus 7-14mm or Olympus 9-18mm. Both are good, but price difference is a wider spread than it will be in m4/3.
mawz wrote:
As good as the Panny 7-14 is, if the value proposition is iffy for someone, the m.Zuiko 9-18 will make a nice substitute if it performs anything like it's 4/3rds sibling, and of course it will be a lot smaller too. In fact if you have an MA1 adapter, the 4/3rds 9-18 is an excellent compact wide for lowish cost even for m43, it AF's on the G series as well.
innersanctum wrote:
The 9-18mm is a compromise solution, either because of cost or size. 7mm to 8mm difference is significant, just like 24mm is against 28mm (in full frame). Also, constant f/4 obviously adds to the cost and bulk, although not really important for daytime landscape photo takers. I use mine even at night though, as a street lens .
Same in 4/3, either Olympus 7-14mm or Olympus 9-18mm. Both are good, but price difference is a wider spread than it will be in m4/3.
Remember 4/3rds has the 11-22 right in the middle, which is a different set of compromises (It gives up some wide range for speed and is otherwise between the 7-14 and 9-18 on price and build). m43 lacks anything comparable to Oly's HG series lenses.
Wow, B&H want $1100 for the 7-14. Man that is expensive. I like a lot about the micro four thirds, but one could buy several very nice lenses for a digital rebel and be nearly as close in size.
CPWarner wrote:
Wow, B&H want $1100 for the 7-14. Man that is expensive. I like a lot about the micro four thirds, but one could buy several very nice lenses for a digital rebel and be nearly as close in size.
It's actually the cheap version of the 7-14, the Oly 4/3rds version is significantly more.
And no, you can't even vaguely approach the size of a G series body with the 7-14 mounted with any lens on a Drebel that's in the same FoV range, the only configuration of an SLR which can come close would be a Pentax K-X or K-m with the DA 15/4 Limited pancake and that's equivalent to about 11mm on the 7-14's range. This lens is VERY small compared to any other zoom of similar FoV, and also extremely good (you'd need a 14-24 or similar to outperform it), The 7-14 on a m43 body really needs to be held to believe just how much smaller it is than any equivalent DSLR configuration (equivalent involving a lens of similar FoV range like an EF-S 10-22).
mawz wrote:
It's actually the cheap version of the 7-14, the Oly 4/3rds version is significantly more.
And no, you can't even vaguely approach the size of a G series body with the 7-14 mounted with any lens on a Drebel that's in the same FoV range, the only configuration of an SLR which can come close would be a Pentax K-X or K-m with the DA 15/4 Limited pancake and that's equivalent to about 11mm on the 7-14's range. This lens is VERY small compared to any other zoom of similar FoV, and also extremely good (you'd need a 14-24 or similar to outperform it), The 7-14 on a m43 body really needs to be held to believe just how much smaller it is than any equivalent DSLR configuration (equivalent involving a lens of similar FoV range like an EF-S 10-22)....Show more →
That is 7% longer and 11% greater diameter. In regards to the cameras:
Panasonic GF1: dimensions: 4.69 x 2.80 x 1.43"
Panasonic G1 dimensions: 4.9 x 3.3 x 1.8"
Canon Xsi dimensions: 5.1 x 3.8 x 2.4"
The biggest difference is between 1 inch to 0.6 inches in the depth of the camera due to the mirror box. If I was just starting out and did not have a lot of other equipment, it would be interesting. But at the price they are asking, it does not gain me much over what I already have. I cary the XSi when the 1DsMK2 is too much. So the XSi is really small to me already.
mawz wrote:
I'm still hemming & hawing about wide solutions, the 11-22 is just really tempting for my 4/3rds work due to its speed and range, but it's not a great choice for m43 due to size and lack of AF. The 9-18 would be the best compromise, but it's slow for my 4/3rds uses which tends to often be in low light. If I had the money I'd get the 11-22 and Panny 7-14, but the pair would be $2500CDN.
I use the 11-22 now with a Panasonic M4/3 adapter. It's a nice lens, but I find the ergonomics of the resulting camera-lens combo to be a little weird. I have the AF through the EP-1, but it stinks. Can't complain about the quality of image I get though.
The 9-18 is tempting, but if you like your wides, 2mm is a lot. I agree that the 9-18 makes a great value proposition, but given the success I've had with the EP-1 as a basic landscape and walkaround camera, I am prepared to swing for the 7-14. That said, if you are interested in the 11-22, I have one in excellent condition.
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