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p.7 #1 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


Pavel wrote:
Now .. I don't mind any of this except one so you need to remove it. That lady in the first picture is several weeks now away from dying. She has terminal cancer and wanted to get some pictures of her between chemo while she could walk. She picked it and likes it - so who cares. There is a rule here about posting other peoples work. You did read that when you signed up. Now feel free to put up more but that first shot better be down fast.

Those wedding pictures are not mine. I went to my fiancé's
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Which one? I'll certainly remove it.



Dec 15, 2009 at 11:28 AM
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p.7 #2 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


Pavel wrote:
There is a rule here about posting other peoples work. You did read that when you signed up. Now feel free to put up more but that first shot better be down fast.

!



I'm not posting anyone else's work as my own or my own host, I'm linking photos from your website. The wedding ones I'll pull if you didn't shoot them, though it didn't say anything on your website?

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Dec 15, 2009 at 11:30 AM
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p.7 #3 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


Dang boy, it seems every time you post images five pages of passionate (and sometimes idiotic) discussion follows. You must be doing something right!

I really like this set. It makes me want to be part of the celebration, to meet and visit with these folks. I enjoy seeing whatever you post. I'm interested in what you're up to.



Dec 15, 2009 at 11:30 AM
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p.7 #4 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


I love this place...

but I cannot believe that there aren't rules to prevent some of this infantile behavior.

Wow.



Dec 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM
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p.7 #5 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


Here are a few more for ya, from my hobby site.
(Elizabeth Edwards son tomb- she is waiting for a print)
http://www.invl.com/-Various/images/060120-122431.jpg

http://www.invl.com/-Various/images/picture-11.jpg

http://www.invl.com/-Various/images/R060902-125816B-w-2.jpg

http://www.invl.com/JanuaryBeach/images/070114-144009-w.jpg

http://www.invl.com/NCStateFashion/pictures/picture-1.jpg

you love gimicky ... here ya go!
http://www.invl.com/bullcity/images/007-080331-162112-w.jpg

http://www.invl.com/jodi/070930-210650w-bw.jpg

http://www.invl.com/rk/images/080730-123941-4.jpg

http://www.invl.com/Punk/images/IMG_2.jpg

http://www.invl.com/-VariousPeople/images/050702-120858.jpg

and remember ... some of these shots were taken by my daughter, when she was seven. like bellow.

http://www.invl.com/-VariousPeople/images/060415-114956.jpg

Have at it. These are some of my fun shots.Let's see your masterpieces?

Get that first picture off the post. You've got me permission to use the others.



Dec 15, 2009 at 11:34 AM
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p.7 #6 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


Pavel wrote:
Have at it. These are some of my fun shots.Let's see your masterpieces?

Get that first picture off the post. You've got me permission to use the others.


I have a link to mine on my profile.

I liked your bike panning shots - if you wanted to remove the one of the woman, your best bet is to delete the file off of the site all together; none of the shots are actually hosted anywhere but on your publicly-accessible page. You had said 'feel free to critique my stuff' so the linked shots are random examples off of your website.



Dec 15, 2009 at 11:44 AM
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p.7 #7 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


I don't have a website. They have been taken down, years ago. I've got space on one of my servers on which I put mine or my daughters, or my friends pictures You can keep whatever up that you want except the lady with the hat on.

Now back to the thread.
Can you answer some of my questions about those wedding shots? Do critique it since you are it's fan. I've told you why I think VickiB was more that valid in her original commentary. Those pics are as subtle as my two headed monstrosity. Tell me how you analyze those shots of sergios. Perhaps I can learn a bit. Or is that not your game?




Dec 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM
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p.7 #8 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


Now jeremy ... I'm not complaining about the links .. they are out there for whatever, to show. Just that one is embarrassing and a unique situation.

So go on.



Dec 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM
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p.7 #9 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


Sergio Mottola wrote:
who said there were rules to photography in the first place? show me a governing body like FIFA or something.

On #6, I think you lifted your foot on the throw in.

If you want rules, try the PPofA. They're the Calvinists of photography.



Dec 15, 2009 at 11:49 AM
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p.7 #10 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


i wonder if sergio has a few ghost accounts and posts the mean comments to rattle some cages... bahahaha...

photography is art.

photography is not 1-Dimensional.

there is no right way.

there is no wrong way.

art is your own interpretation.

photography is your feeling.

it's sad if you can't see his (or anyone elses for that matter) interpretation of a photograph, an event, of a day, of an emotion, of a place in time.



Dec 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM
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p.7 #11 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


Am responding to your questions, one sec.


Dec 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM
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p.7 #12 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


what the intent was? Was it a stylistic approach the way bodies are cut off in various ways.

It is my guess their is no intention to do this, but simply how it was captured. Imperfections to the compositions generally make these shots feel more accessible, more...'real', then staged/intricately lit/perfectly composed photographs. I doubt it's a conscious decision, but simply something unimportant to the overall storyboard on display.


These does not seem to be any consistent intent with the cropping and thus it is hard to see a style.


I disagree. How can the cropping variations alone determine the style?


What was the color theory behind your choice of the unusual colors. I'm no longer up on it but it does not seem to fall into the use of any color approach so perhaps erroneously I missed the intent an thought color was applied simply to be "different".


Serg's color selections, to me at least, invokes a retro, film-like quality to the images. Again, the cross-proc looking exposures, over-warm tones and low-contrast b/ws all speak to a time that predates the gear used. What's old is new.

But even if that is the case - why is there no consistent use of color.

I believe the variations in the toning is the consistency, outside of 15 (left side shot) and the few like it.



I see no use of space or lines (except in two shots) that would suggest thought, as to leading the viewers eyes anywhere. Again randomness rather than any apparent control or intent.


Again, serg's shots aren't composed to be a standalone picture; it's almost an immersing experience. Can you not see these shots as a big storybook type of creation, 1 image per page, and just feel like you were there with them?




Dec 15, 2009 at 12:01 PM
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p.7 #13 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


when i mentioned both Picasso and Dali i was not talking about their paintings, I was talking about their photography. They were both around when photography was new and had no "rules" (does it have rules even today?). If you look at the photos from the seven members of F/64 then you can clearly tell that at that time none of them were formally trained (there was no training at all) nor were they following any set of rules yet they still seemed to lay a damn good bed rock of a style. You can claim all day that someone needs formal training but some of the most influential and important photographers of all time did not have any form of formal training or guidance. yes in todays age you can go very deep into your study of photography and come out with a very fine education but nothing teaches a person more than just shooting. color theory, composition, shape, lines, texture, light balance, posing all of these things are just tools in a photographers bag along with his gear thats all. they are not concrete they are not grounded by anything they are simply guides to help a person begin to learn as to where they are going to start on conceiving an image nothing more. If sergio has learned as much as he has in as short a time as he has without going for a formal education then more power to him, we live and work in a world in which these things are not needed to be successful or admired as a photographer.

seriously I don't understand all of these rules you keep talking about, yes some guides apply to all visual medias but none of them apply solely to photography and none of them NEED to be present in an image for it to be great.

I guess the only real problem i have beyond the petty comments is that someone who is working in an art cannot appreciate other peoples take on things. i have said it once and i will say it again, step out of your glass box and take a look around.



Dec 15, 2009 at 12:09 PM
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p.7 #14 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


jeremy_clay wrote:
Again, serg's shots aren't composed to be a standalone picture; it's almost an immersing experience. Can you not see these shots as a big storybook type of creation, 1 image per page, and just feel like you were there with them?



Truth, this is how it should be. Yes everyone needs some stand alone images but wedding photography is not about that one image that will be on their wall, that will happen by chance. Wedding photography is about telling a story so that it can be retold, reviewed, relived many years down the road.



Dec 15, 2009 at 12:13 PM
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p.7 #15 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


i knew when i saw this thread had 6 pages it was an either great set or lots of trash talking.


great images and captures! yes the tree combo is killer!



Dec 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM
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p.7 #16 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


VickiB wrote:
Every single picture involves a gimmick.


Thank you for this articulate and well-reasoned reply. We're so grateful that you took the time to go photo by photo and explain why you disagree with the artistic choices made.

Turning the sarcasm off, I want to say that this is really some refreshingly fantastic photography. Well done!



Dec 15, 2009 at 12:22 PM
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p.7 #17 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


Pavel wrote:
She picked it and likes it - so who cares.



Sound familiar?

This thread is ridic!




Dec 15, 2009 at 12:28 PM
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p.7 #18 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


Man, I feel for sergio. The amount of whining I see increased by each topic he has posted. Goddang.

Sergio, I for one, not having read the 5000 posts,except maybe the 2nd page after that low blow gimmick comment, like the style in these photos. Gives them a timeless feel. Keep it up!

PS:
I almost half-puked reading the good old fashion bash against what's new and what's good looking. Trust me, the photos are good. If you agree to open up and visualize what a new generation is liking ALOT, you'd also find these photos good.

Photoshop has been out for a while, did you know? Every fraggin image on the net is a gimmick, it has been messed with. Even before it came out of the damn camera.

Get over it.



Dec 15, 2009 at 12:29 PM
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p.7 #19 · VANITHA + RAJAN // THE DAY BEFORE


Ok. So this is a fiery discussion.

I bill myself as a wedding photographer, and I visit FM every single day, but I don't post in this forum a great deal and I wouldn't consider myself a great photographer just yet, nor a vastly experienced one. I feel obliged to respond in this thread however.

It seems to me that the argument has become less about whether these images are to your taste or not and more about whether people are willing to accept varying approaches to the same discipline.

The prolific posters in this forum, who need no introduction, generally bring a more "modern" and "stylistic" approach to wedding photography than I aim to shoot. I say that using those terms in a purely subjective manner based on my opinion of the photography and a large dollop of generalisation. Not everyone is "modern" and not all of the regulars meet this loose description. In short, a lot of it is quite distinct from the 'style' that I personally am trying to achieve. With that said, how do I view their work?

In general, I consider it to be bloody awesome. It's miles away from what I do and there are often 'stylistic' decisions made where I personally would take different options, but in my view, rarely can you question the success of the end result. It is only my opinion, but I consider the general calibre of work on these wedding forums to be of the utmost highest standard. Without wishing to knock the UK market, in my view, the consistently high quality of work displayed here (from what is largely a N.American congregation) blows away most of the stuff I see generated here in the UK. I'd suggest that some people's expectations have become so rarified as to simply miss the abundance of purely brilliant stuff there is knocking around on FM.

Talking about the UK market, that's not to say that really great photographers don't exist over here too. I don't wish to be misinterpreted on this. On these boards, Tobiah, Alex Beckett and BK have really stood out for me as UK wedding photographers. Once again, they are not all identifits of my style, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate what is usually very good work. There is however, a lot of truly crap wedding photographers here in the UK. I'm sure they probably exist in the US too, but perhaps they are less obvious to me given that FM is my main stomping ground for N.American talent.

The point I'm making, quite poorly, is that the 'regulars' on here are bloody good photographers. You'd be amazed how many people out there claim to be photographers and then can't shoot well exposed, well timed images. Not only are those things an absolute given on these boards, but there is a complete overflow of creativity. At times I disagree with the approach, at times I disagree with the post production, but I appreciate diversity and I certainly don't fear it. Some photographers seem to forget that with wedding pictures, what matters is whether the clients are happy. Based on what I've heard here and Sergio's diary for 2010, I'd say he's ticking the right boxes.

Personally I prefer the work of Jeff Ascough and Kieran Doherty (I'll admit now that he's a mate!), but the stuff I see here is undoubtedly well executed, and it's a real joy to see so many genuinely talent people.

I am not a fan of flare. I am not a fan of t/s effects. I'd not work in that way. But frankly, all that is besides the point. Some people do choose to shoot that way. If they do it well, it looks good. Sergio's stuff looks good. He's captured the joy and mood of the wedding and done so using a style of his own choosing. Choose to disagree, choose to shoot differently, but lets not be scared of difference.

No one can accuse me of being part of any sort of FM clique so hopefully what I say will appear as it ought - an 'outsider' giving an unbiased judgement. There are certainly some recognisable posters around this forum, but I wouldn't call them back slappers. They happen to dig 'similar' styles and as such are drawn to the work of others whose pictures appeal to them. In the same way, I visit Jeff Ascough's site a couple of times a month and if he had a forum I'd be on it talking about his pictures. It's not because I want to big him up, it's because the work speaks to me. Here, I personally love the work of Evan Baines, and admire the work of Sam Hassas. Baines is more my style, Hassas just does what he does so well.

I'm a 25yo and struggling to do as well as I'd like to do. Sergio it seems is 19 and doing tremendously. On a personal note, he has all my kudos and respect. That isn't achieved without hard work, single mindedness and in this field a distinct sense of self, both as a person and as a photographer.

It comes down to this. Disagree, but don't knock it. This is not poor photography by any yardstick and it's a shame to see it treated as if it was. The suggestion somewhere before that a wedding was 'ruined' is hyperbolic tosh. If you don't like it, fine, but that comment is simply erroneous.

For my part I really like the set. It's being called 'modern' but the feel of these images reminds me of the 70's and makes me want to go watch Almost Famous. :



Dec 15, 2009 at 12:35 PM
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