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Alf ... I enjoy seeing the pics with more 3D in them as much as anyone, but I think that in as much as I (& others) have had a learning curve in what constitutes good 3D (subjective variability already noted) ... we should afford a certain degree of lattitude for genuine efforts to promote the same learning curve for others.
There has been a tremendous amount of effort from the global FM community to contribute to this thread. Some have been target toward gear, some toward processing, some toward human vision, some toward composition, some toward (I shudder to say, definition).
The fact that this is not an easily aggreeable concept for some of the brightest (referring to others) & most experienced (others) photographers around the world ... should make it understandable that many people still have difficulty getting their heads (& eyes) around this. A couple of the easiest things for many to think constitutes 3D are the issues of DOF/Selective Focus/Background & Subject Separation.
As you well know, these things in & of themselves do not guarantee 3D-ishness ... no more than using lens 'X' guarantees achieving it. But for many, these things are what they readily recognize in a 3D-ish shot ... and therefore, they try to emulate them, with what they currently know.
I'm remembering some of Thrice, Cogitech & Braniac's dialogues regarding planes of focus on the matter ... to me that is a critical piece of the puzzle that is a nuance that initially could be overlooked as assumed as simply a DOF issue by many. So for many to submit a shot with DOF & background separation ... thinking they've got a 3D-ish shot ... well that seems only natural ... until it is further explained.
For those who have been in this thread the whole way ... it might be tough for us to imagine that someone coming to it later couldn't actually digest the voluminous information in it. Toss in a mix of some really tangential dialogue, and it is easy for me to undestand why others can remain 'confused'. As such, I will continue to try & be patient and explain to others ... similar as other FM'ers have been with me.
As noted, I can be & am somewhat passionate about the subject matter. Not only in this forum, but in my dialogues with Art Professors as well. There is a degree of human perception that is involved. So, in a similar vein to any other 'optical illusion' ... some people CAN see it, while other people CAN'T see it ... yet continue to give it their best shot. No reason to get upset with them.
In fact, there are days that I 'see it' strongly in a pic ... and there are days when I don't 'see it' as strongly in the same pic ... hence, the viewer is a piece of the puzzle that really can't be overlooked (nor controlled). Additionally, two different monitors can produce different results as well. When I don't "see it" in my LCD ... I use my CRT (which is the only one I truly use to evaluate with). So it should be taken with a grain of salt, when others either aren't producing it, or aren't seeing it.
My continued efforts to understand this are a bit offline in my dialogues with art & science educators. I must admit, that I too, at times, grow weary of some repetition. However, as many times as I have seen Cogitech, Braniac, Thrice & many others repeat themselves in this Forum (this thread & others) to the benefit of the constant influx of different members ... I've realized that those who are truly impassioned, understand the duty of persistence toward growth of those trying to learn ... and many FM'ers have proven to me their unwillingness to falter in this regard. There is a LOT that I don't know about photography, but I intend to uphold as much as I can. So for me ... abandonment & "natural death" are not something that I desire to align myself to.
Unfortunately, many of those who have been very strong contributors of this issue in the past, have chosen to be less involved in this thread (for very understandable reasons). If they should happen to be reading, I would greatly appreciate their return to contribution to help revitalize this thread.
Thanks,
Kent
Edited on Mar 02, 2010 at 10:22 AM · View previous versions
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The after party would have been a lot more fun for me if I were Canadian. Quite the spectacle.
!...I'm getting fed up of seeing loads and loads of 2D shots with absolutely no 3Dness in this thread too.
