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p.5 #1 · 1D is so obsolete


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Jun 09, 2010 at 04:09 PM
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p.5 #2 · 1D is so obsolete


Aww, come on... those weren't posted when I made my comment.



Cool photos anyway...

>>No Rebel can take these shots. (1/16000 exposure speed)



Jun 09, 2010 at 04:39 PM
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p.5 #3 · 1D is so obsolete


charlesk wrote:
Megapixels aren't everything, but they *are* something. I can't imagine many situations where I'd willingly give up that much resolution for... for what, exactly? To each his own, but I find it baffling that someone who owns a 1D3 would also schlep around an aging 4MP behemoth just to avoid changing lenses....

Anyone who has enough money to put together a proper SLR kit also has enough money to get a modern camera that will put it to good use. For most photographers, saving a few hundred bucks using an outdated camera is being penny-wise, pound-foolish.


I always found it difficult to change lenses on the back of a moto shooting a bicycle road race. Especially so when I needed a 200 mm or so tele for one shot and a 21 mm or so wide for a second shot within seconds of each other. I find that some sports move fast and don't often wait for me to change the lens.

Maybe if I just get better . . .

On the other hand, why bother getting better if I can just spend more money . . .

Lorin



Jun 09, 2010 at 05:26 PM
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p.5 #4 · 1D is so obsolete


Point. If money isn't an issue, even the 1D3 is crap.


Jun 09, 2010 at 05:32 PM
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p.5 #5 · 1D is so obsolete


I already said: "Using it is IMO a very poor decision on where to spend one's money, except for the very specific and rare case of someone on an extremely tight budget *and* needing 1-series pro features."

So fine... if you need multiple focal lengths on a motorcycle or to take pictures of muzzle flash, and you can't afford a proper camera, the 1D could be a good choice. The same way that there are situations where a Canon D30 is a better idea than a modern P&S.

But those are atypical exceptions. Both cameras are still obsolete, and there are better ways for most photographers to spend their money.



Jun 09, 2010 at 05:39 PM
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p.5 #6 · 1D is so obsolete


^ the 1D isn't a "proper" camera...


hahahahah



Jun 09, 2010 at 05:48 PM
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p.5 #7 · 1D is so obsolete


I just bought one today, picking it up on Friday.

I want one for the 1/1000sync speed, and the fact that I can use it for a remote camera as it's cheaper than a 40D.

simple.



Jun 09, 2010 at 05:56 PM
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p.5 #8 · 1D is so obsolete


charlesk:

I look at it this way, the used 1D price has pretty much reached rock bottom to the point it would not cause a dent in my wallet if I get one. For $400 or so, I would get a much more capable camera comparing to other models at similar price point. As long as one knows its limitations, I don't see why it would not still produce outstanding images as many being shown here. In the end, it's the image one produces with it that counts, not the model of the camera. In term of features, it may have become obsolete, so what In capable hands, it's still an outstanding camera.

BTW, some day 1D3, 1Ds3 and 1D4 will be obsolete and become craps by your logic.



Jun 09, 2010 at 06:21 PM
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p.5 #9 · 1D is so obsolete


There are many well crafted photographs here, and most of them look ok at this small web size.

To label the image quality "outstanding" in a DSLR context is grossly misleading.
The IQ is about the lowest you can get from any DSLR of any make and of any age. That may still be sufficient for many purposes.

The banding in some of the images in the first set from the OP is totally unacceptable to me, at least in that kind of images.

Skin tones look weird in most images.

The noise at ISO 200 100% crop is visible even with these large so-called high quality pixels.


If you are not into specialties requiring 1/16000 or fast sync, it is only AF performance that really makes the 1D a better option. Requiring better build quality than a xxD body is also a speciality in my view.

I would recommend a used 40D as an allround camera at that price point if somebody asked.



Jun 10, 2010 at 08:18 AM
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every camera is great, even older one, as long as you enjoy using them. That's what photography is for!


Jun 10, 2010 at 10:05 AM
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No, at some point, IQ reaches a max. optimum working level and no longer increases with each new body. The 1D was produced at a time when we are anywhere near that. Personally, I think the 5D II is pretty much there... leaving only AF and feature tweaks...

>>BTW, some day 1D3, 1Ds3 and 1D4 will be obsolete and become craps by your logic.



Jun 10, 2010 at 12:38 PM
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p.5 #12 · 1D is so obsolete


The 5D provides IQ good enough for most user's needs, 4MP does not.

>>Same text, you can replace 1d to 5d too. Why are you still using 5d?



Jun 10, 2010 at 01:29 PM
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p.5 #13 · 1D is so obsolete


This thread prompted me to remove my 1D from storage, charge the batteries and take a few shots.

Not as great as I remember, when compared to 1DsIII and 1DIII, but that is technology.

Imagas lack "color depth" and a "realistic" quality I am achieving with my new tools.

It is a great "Old" camera that I will shoot while driving my great "Old" Porsche with my "Young" girlfriend GirlfriendS

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Jun 11, 2010 at 07:20 AM
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@Psychic1

good words !



Jun 11, 2010 at 07:25 AM
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Jun 11, 2010 at 07:28 AM
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p.5 #16 · 1D is so obsolete


Cool blue eyes Nice work.


Jun 11, 2010 at 07:33 AM
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p.5 #17 · 1D is so obsolete


Psychic1 wrote:
Cool blue eyes Nice work.



thanks.

Since I am from china, so there is always feel great & suprise to see those blue big eyes, very difference from asia peoples

1D+501.4



Jun 11, 2010 at 07:37 AM
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p.5 #18 · 1D is so obsolete


I'm not sure if I'd call the 1D obsolete or specialized. Perhaps a little bit of both.

LDR99 wrote:
And for as little as $500.00 (or less). A greater "starter" camera. That is getting down into the point and shoot price range.

Megapixels are not the end all be all of camera performance.


Megapixels certainly aren't, you're right, and I still enjoy shooting 4mp to this day thanks to the tiny file size and super quick processing speed, but I strongly hesitate calling the 1D a starter camera, despite the price. IMHO, the 1D is more for people who know what they're doing and need the additional benefits that a 1D would offer and who find the trade-offs don't actually limit their style of photography. Generally you'll want to know what you're doing and why you're doing it to deliberately choose a 1D over another camera in the price range.

While I shoot with a 1D, I rarely recommend it to others to be honest, especially in this day and age when cameras like a 40D, XSi (or whatever the high end rebel is these days), and even the 1D2 are as inexpensive as they are.

arky posted some awesome gun shots illustrating one of the benefits of shooting at 1/16000 without an FP shutter.

I also like being able to shoot at 1/500 with a full flash pop in TTL.

For example, look at this shot. It was taken at 1/500. You'll see a little ghosting in the wings due to ambient exposure, but the wings themselves are basically frozen.

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20070327224759_bee%20in%20flight.jpg


On the other hand, this one was taken at 1/1600 with HSS. Note that the ghosting is still present.

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20070323174312_bee%20in%20flight.jpg


Then again, you could basically pull off the same thing as that 1/500 shot at 1/250 with a more modern body in terms the wings. The faster shutter speed is simply giving you less ambient blur, such as the body moving, which can be pretty significant.

Now with the 1D you can get by and tape the TTL pins and get a full pop from the flash synced at up to 1/2500 reliably, 1/3200 occasionally. (or maybe 1/3200 and 1/4000 respectively... I forget.) Go faster than that and you'll start to get this weird magenta effect. Here's a regular cardboard box shot at 1/16000, lit by a manual 580ex flash pop with the TTL pins taped.

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20061204004731_1d%20high%20speed%20tests.jpg


Used artistically, you can get some unique shots.

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20080831012312_purple_flower.jpg


There's also some well-known limitations like the pink corners during long exposures, though even some modern cameras like the 1Ds3 is not immune to this issue. Some cameras are simply better at long exposures than others. Combined with a very limited battery life, long exposure low-light photography is not the 1D's strong suit. Here's a 30sec shot at ISO 3200, just to demonstrate the effect:

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20070505023543_1d_pink_corners.jpg


and speaking of low-light, the 1D's performance actually seems to be quite variable depending on which body you have. lexvo posts his concert shots whenever the 1D's noise issues come up into question, but to be honest it seems his 1D performs better than any others I've seen. His seems to be the best high ISO 1D I've seen. Mine is about mid-range. and I've seen bodies which perform worse than mine. In terms of high ISO, it seems that not all 1D's are created equal. lexvo, you lucked out and got one sweet 1D!

Here's a pair of ISO 1600 shots WITH noise-reduction. lexvo's shots at 1600 without NR are better than these.

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20060406234725_beauty%20and%20the%20beast.jpg


http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20060916204515_beauty%20and%20the%20beast.jpg


Nailing the exposure is also really important with this camera, moreso than with others. Here's an ISO 200 shot that was a little under and when pushed, you can see banding come up real quick in the shadows.

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20100104002658_climbing_up_shining_rock_in_the_snow.jpg


and just to make it a bit more extreme, here's another ISO 200 shot pushed really heavily. I forget how many stops I had to push this to be fair, but it still illustrates the point.

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20060415021643_fun%20with%20friends.jpg


Battery life is also really limited and so it makes the 1D a not so great body take along on hikes, especially considering you'll have to lug a huge 1-series and several batteries and lenses with you. Because of this, I've been switching to shooting with my iPhone or P&S more lately than 1D.

Now all that said, if you're aware of the limitations of the 1D, in capable hands you can produce images that are simply not possible with any other Canon body. At the same time, images even at 100% look great on screen. (and thank goodness, given that you only have 4mp to play with.) The question is.. do you need the specialized capabilities that the 1D offers and do the camera's limitations not affect you much, or would a more modern and general purpose camera like a 40D be a better buy?

Heck, even with today's prices for a 1D2 (and granted this post was started back in 2009), you can get that camera for a steal. The improved high ISO capabilities, auto-rotation, LCD zoom, ability to shoot CF and SD, significantly improved battery life, and so on make it an excellent alternative to strongly consider over a 1D.

Again, the 1D is more for specialized purposes for one willing to accept the trade-offs of the body. It's more for people who know what they're doing. Using it as a starter body or all-around body (especially for people who are still getting started) may be placing unnecessary limits upon the photographer that in this day in age, are too easily overcome with modern technology.

My two cents...



Jun 11, 2010 at 09:21 AM
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mh2000 wrote:
The 5D provides IQ good enough for most user's needs, 4MP does not.

>>Same text, you can replace 1d to 5d too. Why are you still using 5d?


The 1D provides AF good enough for most user's needs, 5d does not.

The 1D provides speed good enough for most user's needs, 5d does not.

The 1D provides builds good enough for most user's needs, 5d does not.

Nobody here is saying that 1d is the best camera so far, in fact, i own a few more cameras myself. But there are certain things in 1d DOES make it very special, no newer bodies has these, and the combination of all these make 1d a wonderful 'TOY' to play!







Jun 11, 2010 at 09:35 AM
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charlesk wrote:
"Obsolete" doesn't mean "vanishes into a black hole" or "no longer functions". It just means there are superior options available, often for less money, or for little additional money.

Now is there any actual tangible reason to believe this camera, nearly a decade after its introduction, offers any worthwhile advantages over more modern alternatives? If not, this is just silly nostalgia, combined with more "mystical image characteristics" nonsense.


Yes, there are advantages. Here's one: With an off camera flash (Non e-ttl), I can shoot at shutter speeds greater than 1/2000th of a second, and get the full power of the flash. Try it! I use Nikon flashes (Sb-28 for example) on the camera hotshoe and it works. I use other flashes connected via the sync cord, and it works perfectly. Now I can shoot at the beach with larger apertures when doing engagement sessions. It beats high-speed sync that Canon has because it retains the full power of the flash.



Jun 11, 2010 at 09:48 AM
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