I don't have any x-rays, nor have I ever seen a Gitzo with a leg separation (although I'm sure it's happened), but it looks like typically Feisol offers a much smaller area for bonding the leg to the pivot.
I'm not a Feisol fanboy, but I don't see a huge difference here.
Also, how much area is enough? There isn't a huge amount of torque applied to this joint. How many tripods, even thin cheap ones, ever fail here?
Likely, Feisol had a bad run, either bad glue, or a problem in assembly.
This is the first and only report of such a problem with Feisol. Gitzo's have fallen apart as well.
It happens. What matters is how they deal with the problem, and if they learn from the mistake.
You really can't see the differences in the way those two tripods are put together? I'll grant you the Gitzo is heavier . . .
As for the other "facts" you mentioned, neither you nor I have any idea is any of them are actually true. The membership base here on FM would be a ridiculously tiny sample from which to draw any conclusions, but a picture is worth the so-called thousand words.
dcains wrote:
You really can't see the differences in the way those two tripods are put together? I'll grant you the Gitzo is heavier . . .
As for the other "facts" you mentioned, neither you nor I have any idea is any of them are actually true. The membership base here on FM would be a ridiculously tiny sample from which to draw any conclusions, but a picture is worth the so-called thousand words.
For some, cognitive dissonance affects observational skills.
And these legs twist-lock right? The model at the shop I tried (I think) was this same model - and massive amounts of torque were applied to it by both me and the demonstrating salesman. The section tube itself torque-twisted probably 30 degrees before the lock released and there was more than that when either of us tried to turn it the wrong way or past the lock/unlock state.
Cableaddict wrote:
OK, so one Feisol leg failure reported in the last year means Feisol is not a pro product?
-Then the same goes for Gitzo, since they had problems with bases falling apart. Geez, what garbage!
You guys crack me up.
The joint under the ball head also failed. Two joints on one tripod that is just over a year old. Good thing they make epoxy so I can keep my tripod running.
WTH is a "pro product"? It's either excellent quality and virtually indestructible or you have to be careful with it. What does "pro" have to do with it?
Cableaddict wrote:
I'm not a Feisol fanboy, but I don't see a huge difference here.
Also, how much area is enough? There isn't a huge amount of torque applied to this joint. How many tripods, even thin cheap ones, ever fail here?
Likely, Feisol had a bad run, either bad glue, or a problem in assembly.
This is the first and only report of such a problem with Feisol. Gitzo's have fallen apart as well.
It happens. What matters is how they deal with the problem, and if they learn from the mistake.
I'd say it's a non-issue.
Well, to be fair, I've seen at least half a dozen reports online of joints/locks becoming unglued or un-bonded. I still like my Feisol, and I know other brands have issues as well as nothing in perfect, but there is a vast difference in how a Gitzo and Feisol are constructed as reflected by their prices.
Sent e-mail with order Thursday afternoon (1/21/10) just before I went out for the evening.
Returned about 9:00 and had invoice from paypal. Paid at that time.
Checked my e-mail about 10:00 this morning (1/22/10) had e-mail that the tripod has been shipped.
Hope it stops raining so I take it out when it gets here.
Please, that's hardly the same issue, nor is it an issue at all. The owner disassembled a leg joint and lost the bushings. That's Gitzo's fault? Re-read the thread.
BTW, Gitzo legs have in fact come apart from their pivot points, too, so it happens to the best of them.
bohdank wrote:
A poster suggested that the OP disassembled it.
The OP did not acknowledge that.
I know how to read :-)
Thanks sjms. Now I know I am missing a pair of bushings (part #D0201.24) that I can order online and fix it myself.
Thanks again.
Doesn't sound to me as though the bushings dematerialized themselves and passed through the leg sections without some outside intervention, does it? Someone took that tripod apart, and it takes quite a few more turns (maybe a dozen or so) to fully disassemble a Gitzo leg lock than it does to simply lock/unlock (~1/2 a turn) that joint during normal use.
after some very extended research, i ended up with the new Induro AT214 and their new ball head BHD2, I recieved them the other day, the initial expresions are very good and I am very impressed so far considering that both the ballhead and the tripod legs costed me $255.
im gonna take them out this weeking for hiking, and may do a review on them after I use them for some time.
Feisol is doing a good job at exploiting a hole in Gitzo's product line for these sorts of traveller style tripods.
That said, the only thing holding me back is the lack of ALR style leg locks. Call me a whiner, but I'm not buying a tripod that doesn't have them. If they fix this, I'm buying one.
i really like how the legs fold back over the ballhead to make a compact package. too bad that gitzo does not offer this on anything larger than their traveller model.
does anyone know which ballheads other than the photo clam allow the legs to completely fold? seems that the position of the adjustment knobs could interfere with the legs.
JohnJ80 wrote:
Feisol is doing a good job at exploiting a hole in Gitzo's product line .... the only thing holding me back is the lack of ALR style leg locks .
John, can you explain what the difference is, functionally?
Also, are you sure this applies to the latest series, such as the 3372? feisol has made quite a few improvements over the last series.
Cableaddict wrote:
John, can you explain what the difference is, functionally?
Also, are you sure this applies to the latest series, such as the 3372? feisol has made quite a few improvements over the last series.
-thanks.
Feisol legs don't have it. I did some research on it myself and opinions vary greatly as to how useful it is.
Anti-Rotation Leg (ALR) System: The Anti-Rotation Leg (ALR) system makes it quick and easy to open and close the tripod. Simply turn all of the locking rings at once and the whole leg can be pulled out in seconds
